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Originally Posted by ChrL
(Post 26831581)
How about customs? I can't remember how it is laid out in Heathrow but don't a lot of airports in the UK have three separate channels: red, green and blue where blue = EU arrivals (as indicated by a colored stripe on the bag tag).
I guess any bag tags issued in the UK will also lose the green edging on them which signals EU departure point. |
Originally Posted by JDiver
(Post 26831337)
1. The 52-48% was advisory; it is not binding.
2. Article 50 must be implemented. It hasn't been, and Cameron, who steps down in the Fall, has said he won't sign. 3. Parliament hasn't acted. 4. The 2.5 million signature petition to re-vote must be considered by Parliament. BA and AA will be fine. The UK is not part of Schengen. And the main impact of the UK being in the EU with regards to LHR (and all other UK airports) is that the UK has to abide by the EU's Open Skies agreement. But even if a non-EU UK decided to abandon the EU Open Skies agreement (and I doubt they would as it could hinder their access to airports in the EU), that would probably actually benefit BA and AA even more against the competition. |
AA will no longer be required to pay compensation for its flights leaving LHR/the UK - assuming the UK will not adopt EC261 as national law post-leaving the EU, which may or may not happen.
Also, with no UK-specific legislation replacing EC261, BA as a future non-EU carrier will not be liable under EC261 for all its flights leaving the US. |
Originally Posted by bhomburg
(Post 26832088)
AA will no longer be required to pay compensation for its flights leaving LHR/the UK - assuming the UK will not adopt EC261 as national law post-leaving the EU, which may or may not happen.
Also, with no UK-specific legislation replacing EC261, BA as a future non-EU carrier will not be liable under EC261 for all its flights leaving the US. Will be intresting to see if the UK ends up copying the eu261 protections of leaving them out completely! |
Originally Posted by bhomburg
(Post 26832088)
AA will no longer be required to pay compensation for its flights leaving LHR/the UK - assuming the UK will not adopt EC261 as national law post-leaving the EU, which may or may not happen.
Also, with no UK-specific legislation replacing EC261, BA as a future non-EU carrier will not be liable under EC261 for all its flights leaving the US. |
Originally Posted by bhomburg
(Post 26832088)
AA will no longer be required to pay compensation for its flights leaving LHR/the UK - assuming the UK will not adopt EC261 as national law post-leaving the EU, which may or may not happen.
Also, with no UK-specific legislation replacing EC261, BA as a future non-EU carrier will not be liable under EC261 for all its flights leaving the US. In order for the UK to be in the ECAA it will need to follow all (most?) EU aviation policy and regulations - but the Brexit camp want to be free of those regulations. Thus, neither Brexit (as a referendum vote) nor the triggering of Article 50 will make BA a non-EU airline as bhomberg (and others) suggest. What happens to BA (and Easyjet, Virgin Atlantic, etc etc) will depend upon what is agreed in the up to two years of negotiations that happen after the triggering of Article 50. Since no-one has stepped to trigger that or to engage in those negotiations - there is going to be a very, very long period of uncertainty. |
Originally Posted by ChrL
(Post 26831581)
How about customs? I can't remember how it is laid out in Heathrow but don't a lot of airports in the UK have three separate channels: red, green and blue where blue = EU arrivals (as indicated by a colored stripe on the bag tag).
U.K. doesn't really worry about the green/blue channel stuff anyway. If they suspect you are violating customs regulations, you don't need to find HMRC, HMRC will find you ;) |
Originally Posted by SeattleDavid
(Post 26833193)
there is going to be a very, very long period of uncertainty.
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Originally Posted by Jacobin777
(Post 26834429)
That might be one of the reasons why BA (IAG Group) and EasyJet stocks were down substantially on Friday.
http://i.imgur.com/wWETfHhl.jpg IAG also down another 9% |
This might actually result in a cost savings for BA..
After the exit they would no longer have to pay the EU passenger benefits for late or canceled flights, except on flights from EU countries (Not to EU, just like AA) |
Originally Posted by mvoight
(Post 26836103)
This might actually result in a cost savings for BA..
After the exit they would no longer have to pay the EU passenger benefits for late or canceled flights, except on flights from EU countries (Not to EU, just like AA) Without access to the single European aviation area IAG may be forced to fracture back into separate companies, because EU airlines cannot be majority owned or controlled by non-EU citizens, and the degree of cooperation between non-EU and EU-headquartered airlines in their common ownership structure with combined operations may breach that requirement. That would undoubtedly affect the AA-BA/EC/IB partnership. [EC would probably be transferred to IB ownership.] Meanwhile the UK no longer has air operating treaties with any EU state, so until these are arranged, if the UK left the single aviation area, it would be illegal for BA to operate air services to these countries from the UK. Of course this will eventually be solved, but no one knows what the solution will look like. The degree of uncertainty of the legality of future air operations between the UK and the EU states is what is driving investors out of aviation at the moment. |
Originally Posted by bhomburg
(Post 26832088)
AA will no longer be required to pay compensation for its flights leaving LHR/the UK - assuming the UK will not adopt EC261 as national law post-leaving the EU, which may or may not happen.
Also, with no UK-specific legislation replacing EC261, BA as a future non-EU carrier will not be liable under EC261 for all its flights leaving the US. |
Originally Posted by Calchas
(Post 26836128)
EU compensation is a negligible part of BA's cost base
Without access to the single European aviation area IAG may be forced to fracture back into separate companies, because EU airlines cannot be majority owned or controlled by non-EU citizens, and the degree of cooperation between non-EU and EU-headquartered airlines in their common ownership structure with combined operations may breach that requirement. That would undoubtedly affect the AA-BA/EC/IB partnership. [EC would probably be transferred to IB ownership.] Meanwhile the UK no longer has air operating treaties with any EU state, so until these are arranged, if the UK left the single aviation area, it would be illegal for BA to operate air services to these countries from the UK. Of course this will eventually be solved, but no one knows what the solution will look like. The degree of uncertainty of the legality of future air operations between the UK and the EU states is what is driving investors out of aviation at the moment. Outside the open skies agreement the UK could offer all sorts of 5th freedom rights to the ME3,and sell them slots at exorbitant prices.Maybe even enough to pay for expansion at LHR,assuming Boris doesn't take over. |
Originally Posted by rapidex
(Post 26836363)
Nobody has yet mentioned Norwegians operations from the UK to the US.Norway will be looking to have them protected.
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Originally Posted by rapidex
(Post 26836363)
Nobody has yet mentioned Norwegians operations from the UK to the US.Norway will be looking to have them protected.
Norwegian Air Shuttle and Ryanair are the two non-UK airlines with the most to lose if the UK doesn't wind up in the ECAA, I think, but AA is probably the non-European (the continent, not any political region) airline with the most to lose. It's really a disaster for AA/BA if the UK doesn't enter the ECAA. My understanding is that BA, being a subsidiary of a Spanish company, will lose the right to operate any non-EU flights out of the UK (assuming that the UK and EU at least negotiate bilatertal 3rd and 4th freedom rights), unless IAG spins BA off into a UK company. And if UK doesn't enter the ECAA, AA and BA will lose the right to be in a joint venture. Either way, it's at best a totally unpredictable mess with uncertainty likely to persist for years unless and until the various parties work out a mess of bilateral treaties to replicate what is already in place due to the ECAA. Clearly, assuming Brexit happens, the best case scenario for AA/BA is that the UK enters the ECAA, in which case it's essentially business as usual, if I understand correctly: BA retains the right to operate in the UK as a subsidiary of IAG, the joint venture is unaffected, and BA remains effectively an EU airline subject to all the EU rules, including the delay compensation rules. But as a non-EU member, the UK would have influence only as a significant-but-still-relatively-small partner. |
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