Originally Posted by ENycSea
(Post 26679751)
They need to announce a date and the complete details ASAP (I'm not confident what they have said so far is the whole story). I'm not flying them at all until they do. I was going to go ExPlat this year but not with this much up in the air. I decided to forgo AA and go for JetBlue Mosaic instead.
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Originally Posted by rjw242
(Post 26679758)
You're refusing to fly AA until they lower their earnings rate? :confused:
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Originally Posted by rjw242
(Post 26679758)
You're refusing to fly AA until they lower their earnings rate? :confused:
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Originally Posted by Dave Noble
(Post 26675867)
I cannot see how the change would be any more or any less confusing just based on the date it is implemented
On day X , earning on AA will be 1 mile per mile flown plus possible bonuses Ony day Y, earning will be $5/$7/$11 per dollar spent It has no impact on earning of status, since this is still based on distance / class of service process that is already in place |
Originally Posted by Cofyknsult
(Post 26681305)
But since Elite Qualification Thresholds will obviously change (There must be twice as many people qualifying in each class with the new 1-3 EQM range replacing 0.5 - 1.5 EQP), it might be easier to change all at once. When the other shoe drops, who's ever heard of the front of the sole hitting before the heel ?
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Originally Posted by Cofyknsult
(Post 26681305)
But since Elite Qualification Thresholds will obviously change (There must be twice as many people qualifying in each class with the new 1-3 EQM range replacing 0.5 - 1.5 EQP), it might be easier to change all at once.
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Originally Posted by rjw242
(Post 26681345)
... Effectively, it's gone from 1-1.5 qualifying (miles or points) per mile flown to 1-3, and very, very few customers buy the 3 EQM fares.
What MAY save some of us requalifying where we've been is Corporate America's absolute rule that their staff overwhelmingly fly Economy regardless of the distance. Try this in France or Germany above 7 hours and you'll have a travel strike. As to your mention that very very few people buy the 3 EQM fare, yes but I suspect that AA wants very very fewer people in their top tiers. Being EXP and nr 37 on the upgrade list of a LGA - DFW or a MIA - ORD is ridiculous... (admittedly, it happened only once). |
Originally Posted by rjw242
(Post 26681345)
That's rather misrepresentative, as it ignores the EQM avenue that previously existed -- it was impossible to qualify with points by exclusively flying <1 EQP/mile fares on average. Effectively, it's gone from 1-1.5 qualifying (miles or points) per mile flown to 1-3, and very, very few customers buy the 3 EQM fares. So it seems like an exaggeration to say that the number of people qualifying has doubled.
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I just got an email from United, they want me to spend $2k on the airline in exchange for 30k bonus award miles (6.6cpm actually, just for the bonus). Who says they always copy Delta, they seem to have hit a new low on their own. Let's hope that's not gonna be the future of AA.
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Originally Posted by rjw242
(Post 26679758)
You're refusing to fly AA until they lower their earnings rate? :confused:
What I am trying to figure out is if with the AA program changes (once they are all released - again I doubt we have heard the whole story) if it makes sense to go for AA EP status. Or any AA status for that matter. Going into this year I had planned to get Alaska MVG 75k (already completed) and go for AA status. Then next year I could decide what to stick with. But until I know the complete picture there isn't a point in me getting invested at all in the AA program now. Since AA was up in the air I went with JetBlue and they have impressed me with their Mint offering. And with Mint expanding out of JFK next year (where I am based) I'm putting my money toward JetBlue for domestic flights (and their few international routes) until I hear more from AA. And to anticipate potential comments, I don't fly at all for business. This is all personal travel and I go where the deals and my current mood take me. So it's easy for me to move between airlines/alliances. |
My company doesn't pay for my flights, so my bookings are systematic - it used to be about cheapest/quickest option, but getting involved with AAdvantage in 2013 I have been sticking with Oneworld for 99% of my flights, justifying the premium paid with the benefits earned (mostly bonus miles and lounge access). Now there will be very little reason to fly OW over *anything in particular*, when the amount I'll save flying ANZ, EK, KLM or UA (always cheaper on my routes than CX/BA/AY/AA) will cover Priority Pass membership and any 'additional' flights I want. I was only ever upgraded once and never took advantage of bonus luggage anyway.
Indeed, the anxiety is real. I will be flying over 70,000 miles in the last third of the year, but until AA announce their implementation date I'll have to wait it out before I decide to buy OW flights as I always do or dig into my collection of AA miles. I'm happy to ride out the remainder of my Plat membership burning awards, it'll save me a ton of money and I won't have to feel like I'm being ripped off earning 5-10% of what I originally would have earned. But... we don't know anything. We don't know if the cut-off will be flight date or book date, whether it's happening July 2nd or September 1st, and THAT is the problem. Like ENycSea, this is a game I don't want to be a part of anymore - not if AA can pull the rug out from under us at their choosing. |
Originally Posted by lycidas
(Post 26683525)
...This is a game I don't want to be a part of anymore - not if AA can pull the rug out from under us at their choosing.
If one adds that the merger was smoother and less chaotic for passengers than the other two, credit is (so far) due. Which is why I wait and see. |
The only two benefits I value of AA EXP are SWUs and waived fees for award fee changes and redeposit...Rest I can leave without
I am leisure traveler and last year my family of 3 all hit AA EXP (thanks to BA biz class deal). this year we are traveling AA solely to take advantage of SWUs and in turn re-qualify for next year. Double RDMs help offset lot of cost difference as sometimes AA fares are much higher than others with SWU benefit cut in half, RDMs for economy fares will be drastically lower and hugh devaluation of biz class awards, next year it hardly makes sense to continue with AA for us. Mostly it will be better to wait for some occasional deal on premium fares and just go with those my only hope is if partner earnings don't change a lot then we can fly some good QR fares and continue the train |
Originally Posted by akcae
(Post 26655701)
The point that Gary Leff has been making, and I agree with, is that the airlines are slowly killing the golden goose of FFPs by turning them into rebate programs based solely on revenue. They're rewarding most the most price insensitive customers (i.e., those paying most $$), and rewarding least those most price sensitive, which is the exact opposite of what FFPs are designed to do. FFPs, by offering aspirational awards, have turned something that is a commodity, a seat on a plane, into something people feel brand-loyal to. They're undoing this process now and killing any sense of loyalty people have towards them. It may work for now, but it is their undoing in the long run. The FFPs have for a long time been the most profitable line of business within the airlines, and there's a reason for it.
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Originally Posted by techoin
(Post 26684276)
The only two benefits I value of AA EXP are SWUs and waived fees for award fee changes and redeposit...Rest I can leave without
with SWU benefit cut in half, RDMs for economy fares will be drastically lower and hugh devaluation of biz class awards, next year it hardly makes sense to continue with AA for us. Mostly it will be better to wait for some occasional deal on premium fares and just go with those.
Originally Posted by lycidas
(Post 26683525)
But... we don't know anything. We don't know if the cut-off will be flight date or book date, whether it's happening July 2nd or September 1st, and THAT is the problem. Like ENycSea, this is a game I don't want to be a part of anymore - not if AA can pull the rug out from under us at their choosing.
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