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dtremit Sep 23, 2015 2:51 pm


Originally Posted by AA_CPA (Post 25463143)
For those who can see status calculated on EQP only, how would the MM programme be affected in your view? Would it be based off of EQP after a cut-off date, and previous MM EQM balance would roll into a new lifetime EQP?

MM balance is already calculated using a unique formula (it doesn't include segment minimums, where EQM does) -- no reason that couldn't continue.

dtremit Sep 23, 2015 2:55 pm


Originally Posted by pinniped (Post 25464165)
Do we actually know that the UA and DL mergers led to considerably more elites per flight? How do we know that?

DL has made a lot of noise about having too many elites and cutting benefits. That being said, I think it is in their interest to create the *perception* that elite ranks have grown, when in fact what people are experiencing is heavy monetization of upgrades.

cmd320 Sep 23, 2015 2:55 pm


Originally Posted by nk15 (Post 25467357)
Yes, a lot of these would depending on individual factors and needs, so things will vary substantially for each person. But the international (except US) coach and business fares out of YYZ on AA are unbeatable.

International fares ex-YYZ and YUL are unbeatable on any airline, not just AA. Going to India I've seen UA/LH/LX as low as $2000rt.

Superguy Sep 24, 2015 9:30 am


Originally Posted by dtremit (Post 25468824)
DL has made a lot of noise about having too many elites and cutting benefits. That being said, I think it is in their interest to create the *perception* that elite ranks have grown, when in fact what people are experiencing is heavy monetization of upgrades.

AA has been more than happy to take the ones DL wanted to fire. :)

JDiver Sep 24, 2015 6:55 pm

The posts regarding possible changes in earning AAdvantage miles flying BA or IB on October 1 2015 have been moved here:

http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/ameri...ct-2015-a.html

due to the impact and importance of such changes on AAdvantage members.

/Moderator

JDiver Sep 29, 2015 9:11 am

One thing that has come out of the BA / IB earnings for AAdvantage members debacle (the October 1 miles earnings messages flashed on several AA websites in several languages, AA later said it was all an error :rolleyes:) is, as reported at Gary Leff's "View from the Boarding Area":

AA spokesperson Laura Nedbal to Gary: "If we were to issue changes like this we would be certain to give plenty of advanced notice."

http://viewfromthewing.boardingarea....to-aadvantage/

GetSetJetSet Sep 29, 2015 12:29 pm


Originally Posted by cmd320 (Post 25468826)
International fares ex-YYZ and YUL are unbeatable on any airline, not just AA. Going to India I've seen UA/LH/LX as low as $2000rt.

Any suggestions on routes/dates? I need to pickup about 10k EQP before the end of the year and would jump on a cheap int'l biz fare. Doesn't have to be as far as India, and under 2k would be ideal.

cmd320 Sep 29, 2015 1:37 pm


Originally Posted by GetSetJetSet (Post 25494557)
Any suggestions on routes/dates? I need to pickup about 10k EQP before the end of the year and would jump on a cheap int'l biz fare. Doesn't have to be as far as India, and under 2k would be ideal.

A lot of the sales that were occurring have seemingly expired.

Not finding anything under 2000 at the moment. AA on 11/15-11/17 is offering YYZ-ICN via DFW for $2473. There's also Finnair on 11/15-11/17 from YYZ-PEK. That's running ~$2500rt in J. HKG and PVG can also be done at similar prices. A lot of the better sales were on Star Alliance and SkyTeam airlines

cova Sep 29, 2015 2:05 pm


Originally Posted by cmd320 (Post 25494893)
A lot of the sales that were occurring have seemingly expired.

Not finding anything under 2000 at the moment. AA on 11/15-11/17 is offering YYZ-ICN via DFW for $2473. There's also Finnair on 11/15-11/17 from YYZ-PEK. That's running ~$2500rt in J. HKG and PVG can also be done at similar prices. A lot of the better sales were on Star Alliance and SkyTeam airlines

Doing some matrix.itasoftware searches, I am finding UA is cheaper than AA on some domestic routes.

Although I am still buying tickets on AA rather than UA, because of Elite benefits, miles, etc.

Maybe AA will keep mileage based and just charge a little more for its fares.

nk15 Sep 29, 2015 7:37 pm


Originally Posted by GetSetJetSet (Post 25494557)
Any suggestions on routes/dates? I need to pickup about 10k EQP before the end of the year and would jump on a cheap int'l biz fare. Doesn't have to be as far as India, and under 2k would be ideal.

There you go, 10-14k+ EQPs for $800. (based on the double EQP promo; not good for "challenges")

https://www.google.com/flights/#sear...0-25;sc=b;a=AA

vhrum Sep 29, 2015 11:24 pm


Originally Posted by Col Ronson (Post 25465786)
I (respectfully of course) disagree. I've been a UA elite since 2007 and i've only been on AA for the last 1.5 years and i have had a far better experience flying F on AA than i ever have on UA. While UA has clearly made improvements to their catering to come up to a higher level, its too little, too late. However, i have seen that DL does have a superior catering product to AA. Their Frequent Flier Program leaves a lot to be desired however and Skyteam is not as competitive of an airline alliance as Oneworld or Star. (you can't book first class awards on many skyteam partners because DL itself does not have intl F).

What exactly is wrong with charging stickers for upgrades? I think it ruins the exclusiveness of first class when you hand out free upgrades like candy. Notice how no other premium airline in the world does that. It also leaves open some seats for EPs who may buy last minute fares inside their upgrade window and not lose it out to PLTs or GLDs. But of course a non-EP would complain about sticker upgrades. Check out the UA board, you have even 1Ks who are not getting confirmed upgrades while most EXPs here report a high success percentage. 1K is pretty much nothing at UA these days, if you want any perks its Global Services or bust. Its funny because if you're a global services on UA you can still be stuck flying coach (i've seen it) and you still dont get a free item off the ala carte menu.

Agreed with all of that - one thing though - if I recall correctly, DL blocks F awards of their own accord, not because their partners insist on it. Assuming this is true, it's just another reason to avoid them and stick with AA... It's certainly reflective of the mindset by which DL runs SkyMiles, whereby they seem to deny perks because they can, and because they are sooooooo operationally superior that everyone who's anyone will want to fly them anyway. Whatever changes are coming to AAdvantage, the recent past makes me feel they at least won't be sprung on us, and that AA won't take the masochistic pleasure in killing their program DL seems to.

tom911 Oct 1, 2015 2:17 pm

Just had my domestic boarding pass reprinted at PHL because the one issued back in Munich had some bar code issues and wouldn't scan. Asked the US agent to add me to the upgrade list as an AA elite and she mentioned that the comped upgrade program is being eliminated and I'll need to support my upgrades in the future. As no one else has posted anything of the sort, I'm thinking the agent may not be up on the differences between AA and US upgrades yet. Time will tell.

nk15 Oct 1, 2015 2:25 pm


Originally Posted by tom911 (Post 25505060)
Just had my domestic boarding pass reprinted at PHL because the one issued back in Munich had some bar code issues and wouldn't scan. Asked the US agent to add me to the upgrade list as an AA elite and she mentioned that the comped upgrade program is being eliminated and I'll need to support my upgrades in the future. As no one else has posted anything of the sort, I'm thinking the agent may not be up on the differences between AA and US upgrades yet. Time will tell.

She was probably referring to the former US elites now having to use sticker upgrades on AA, if not EXP.

krlcomm Oct 1, 2015 2:29 pm


Originally Posted by tom911 (Post 25505060)
Just had my domestic boarding pass reprinted at PHL because the one issued back in Munich had some bar code issues and wouldn't scan. Asked the US agent to add me to the upgrade list as an AA elite and she mentioned that the comped upgrade program is being eliminated and I'll need to support my upgrades in the future. As no one else has posted anything of the sort, I'm thinking the agent may not be up on the differences between AA and US upgrades yet. Time will tell.

"As no one else has posted anything of the sort"...???? You might be the only person on FT (or anywhere for that matter, lol) that is not aware that the US unlimited UGs for all elites will disappear when the programs fully merge in 10/17. After 10/17 everyone will be "one big happy family" (:D) in the AA program and the only elites that will get unlimited UGs will be ExP. Gold and Plat will need to request UGs and apply stickers. Very surprised that someone that posts here is not aware of this at this late date as it has been discussed on every board in the AA / US forum at great length.

tom911 Oct 1, 2015 3:03 pm

The agent knew I was an AA flyer. She was referring to my comped upgrades as an AA EXP flyer. US flyers weren't a topic of discussion at all. I'm not a US elite flyer.


Originally Posted by krlcomm (Post 25505115)
After 10/17 everyone will be "one big happy family" (:D) in the AA program and the only elites that will get unlimited UGs will be ExP.

No changes for me. Been that way since 2004.


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