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Originally Posted by SOBE ER DOC
(Post 23712423)
THE UGLY:
1. Increased award redemption fees 2. Cabin upgrades resulting in fewer premium seats 3. No Jack Daniels (Oh, the humanity) - which was a pmAA decision 2. Best J cabins coming, knock the socks off UA's 2-4-2 configurations; well worth going for eVIP upgrade, but remember, unless AA sells enough of these seats there won't be an airline flying 3. For me it was The Glenlivet...on this we can agree |
Originally Posted by Shareholder
(Post 23722180)
So you expect six airlines to continue to lose money year after year, decade after decade, never generate enough revenue to cover expenses, laying off staff and downsizing fleets and capacity. You expect investors and lenders and bankruptcy claimants to continue to subsidize your flights forever? Be sarcastic if you want, but a realistic marketplace requires healthy companies and healthy companies must make profits or someone else pays.
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Originally Posted by Shareholder
(Post 23722198)
1. Still better than the surcharges with BA and IB awards
2. Best J cabins coming, knock the socks off UA's 2-4-2 configurations; well worth going for eVIP upgrade, but remember, unless AA sells enough of these seats there won't be an airline flying 3. For me it was The Glenlivet...on this we can agree Adding to the good for me as a CP US Airways flyer is additional system-wide upgrades. The bad is that upgrades may be more difficult to come by on American, which is counter intuitive considering larger Business Class cabins. Perhaps it is only my imagination, but if it is real could be because of higher proportion business travelers and the said larger number of system wide upgrades. |
Originally Posted by Speedracer2
(Post 23723664)
Adding to the good for me as a CP US Airways flyer is additional system-wide upgrades. The bad is that upgrades may be more difficult to come by on American, which is counter intuitive considering larger Business Class cabins. Perhaps it is only my imagination, but if it is real could be because of higher proportion business travelers and the said larger number of system wide upgrades.
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Originally Posted by Speedracer2
(Post 23723664)
I agree on these points (and particularly the Glenlivet) although I think these were mostly pre-merger decisions.
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As US Gold (now AA PLT), I have to say, over the last few year, US improved dramatically. The front-line folks (except PHL) were always extremely professional and accommodating. I haven't had a US flight without a PDB since 2008. Most flying is in the southeast, so US is a natural, but it developed into pretty good product of choice for short and mid haul travel. Charlotte topped Atlanta and the US snack basket was better than DL's.
Now, I will say I like the new glassware and the fact I don't have t fly to Denver to see a hot meal. That said, I have found AA front-line staff inconsistent with the Admiral's Club folks. To be honest, I'd much rather have a flight attendant who smile and makes sure my vodka tonic is full instead of some the AA folks who hand out lunch then hide in the galley. Just my thoughts |
Originally Posted by GNVFlyer
(Post 23725405)
As US Gold (now AA PLT), I have to say, over the last few year, US improved dramatically. The front-line folks (except PHL) were always extremely professional and accommodating. I haven't had a US flight without a PDB since 2008. Most flying is in the southeast, so US is a natural, but it developed into pretty good product of choice for short and mid haul travel. Charlotte topped Atlanta and the US snack basket was better than DL's.
Now, I will say I like the new glassware and the fact I don't have t fly to Denver to see a hot meal. That said, I have found AA front-line staff inconsistent with the Admiral's Club folks. To be honest, I'd much rather have a flight attendant who smile and makes sure my vodka tonic is full instead of some the AA folks who hand out lunch then hide in the galley. Just my thoughts |
I had my first flight on US metal in August as an AA Gold, and was OK with it. Got the upgrade to F without burning stickers. Service was fine on the flight from PHX-PDX. No powerports in F was a downside, but I like the bag tracking in the US app on my phone. Overall, so far I am OK - nervous about future benefit reductions, but so far OK.
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Originally Posted by Shareholder
(Post 23722180)
So you expect six airlines to continue to lose money year after year, decade after decade, never generate enough revenue to cover expenses, laying off staff and downsizing fleets and capacity. You expect investors and lenders and bankruptcy claimants to continue to subsidize your flights forever? Be sarcastic if you want, but a realistic marketplace requires healthy companies and healthy companies must make profits or someone else pays.
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Originally Posted by travelinmanS
(Post 23729417)
Nope, I just expect to be treated in a decent and humane manner by a company that realizes that maximizing profit and shareholder value in the short term is not the best way to run a stable long term company. Sadly airlines like this are few and far between at the moment. There is a happy medium between massive losses and record profits where both the flyer and the airline can be pleased. Unfortunately in today's USA business environment the pursuit of creating value for only one set of stakeholders, the shareholders (specifically top management and institutional holders), is what matters. Other stakeholders like customers, employees and suppliers are all deemed less important than the mighty shareholders. This is a losing proposition in the long run for airlines and for the US economy in general.
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Originally Posted by GNVFlyer
(Post 23725405)
As US Gold (now AA PLT), I have to say, over the last few year, US improved dramatically. The front-line folks (except PHL) were always extremely professional and accommodating. I haven't had a US flight without a PDB since 2008. Most flying is in the southeast, so US is a natural, but it developed into pretty good product of choice for short and mid haul travel. Charlotte topped Atlanta and the US snack basket was better than DL's.
Now, I will say I like the new glassware and the fact I don't have t fly to Denver to see a hot meal. That said, I have found AA front-line staff inconsistent with the Admiral's Club folks. To be honest, I'd much rather have a flight attendant who smile and makes sure my vodka tonic is full instead of some the AA folks who hand out lunch then hide in the galley. Just my thoughts |
Originally Posted by travelinmanS
(Post 23729417)
There is a happy medium between massive losses and record profits where both the flyer and the airline can be pleased.
Also... what makes you think things are so terrible these days? I just bought round trip airfare from Seattle to Vegas for a touch over $200. In 1979 inflation adjusted prices (pre-degulation), that would be about $60. Which airlines were offering $60 advance purchase nonstop round trip fares for Seattle to Vegas back then? Oh, right, I don't get a blast-chilled and reheated coach mystery meat meal as part of my fare (complete with cigarette smoke on the plane). I guess I'll just have to pay for food in a real restaurant. Airlines have never been all that awesome at customer service; but gaining some ability to price discriminate ("buy what you want") isn't the worst thing that's happened. |
Originally Posted by travelinmanS
(Post 23729417)
Nope, I just expect to be treated in a decent and humane manner by a company that realizes that maximizing profit and shareholder value in the short term is not the best way to run a stable long term company. Sadly airlines like this are few and far between at the moment. There is a happy medium between massive losses and record profits where both the flyer and the airline can be pleased. Unfortunately in today's USA business environment the pursuit of creating value for only one set of stakeholders, the shareholders (specifically top management and institutional holders), is what matters. Other stakeholders like customers, employees and suppliers are all deemed less important than the mighty shareholders. This is a losing proposition in the long run for airlines and for the US economy in general.
Originally Posted by eponymous_coward
(Post 23730473)
Why can't customers be pleased AND the industry generate record profits?
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Its like many other industries, competition has come down to a relatively few owning the market with smaller players at the side. B6 is the only differentiator that has any material amount of market share. Spirit is growing but is a bottom feeder.
Will airline executives look to invest in their product, yes on a limited basis. Money will still be poured into premium long haul cabins and modest amounts in domestic F. Y, it will only probably continue to degrade. |
Originally Posted by FWAAA
(Post 23687229)
Still no announcement about the timeline for MCE reconfigurations to US mainline metal, even though we're now in the slow travel season compared to June, July and August. Merger was announced 20 months ago and closed 10 months ago and nary a peep about US metal MCE. Parker characterized increased legroom as "stupid" and it appears that he's holding true to that belief.
Still no announcement of the timeline for adding wifi to the regional jets that do not have wifi. IIRC, wifi is available on all Delta-branded 2-class RJs. And then there's the oft-mentioned AA meal degradation/US meal improvements since September 1. Not an encouraging sign. What I'm seeing is that America West is now the biggest airline on the planet (doing business as American Airlines).
Originally Posted by 3Cforme
(Post 23687739)
No features of an integrated FF plan, either, or a definite timeline for roll-out. DL/NW had mileage transfers into and redemptions from the 'other' plan within six months of merger date, and everyone rolled into one plan in less than a year.
Sure, there's lot to do, but flyers have been buying tickets into 2015 for months now. Still, it feels like they are very behind. As a long time US flyer who rode out the US/HP merger, which really never ended, they don't exactly have the best track record on timeliness. |
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