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Reid Jan 12, 2014 9:10 pm

Exception to 4 hour Stopover Rule
 
I'm trying to book an award flight for my grandparents. I want it to be a 1-stop flight and that limits my options to AA. Does AA ever make exceptions to the 4 hour layover rule? My only legal option is a 6:20am departure with a 2 hour drive to the airport. There is a flight later in the day, but it involves a ~5 hour stopover.

guv1976 Jan 12, 2014 9:17 pm

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If this is a domestic award, the only exception to the four-hour rule occurs when one flies the last flight on one day from the origin to the connecting city, and the first flight of the next day from the connecting point to the destination.

JDiver Jan 12, 2014 9:57 pm

One exception AA might make is with the "LIFO" rule - Last In, First Out. E.g. an afternoon flight that does not connect until the following morning with a continuing flight to one's final destination - e.g. afternoon SMF-DFW <overnight> next available DFW-CZM flight.

I am not sure how this might apply to your putative award itinerary; it's worth checking out.

Scottrick Jan 13, 2014 12:19 am

I don't think LIFO has to be overnight. There are some routes with limited service where a 4+ hour connection is inevitable.

One additional consideration when planning around the LIFO rule: I recently booked a complicated award to Hawaii and AA couldn't find or price it automatically because while I did request the first non-stop flight of the day, there was actually an earlier "direct" flight stopping in LAX and continuing with the same flight number. After a long wait on hold the pricing desk allowed me to use the nonstop flight.

Exec_Plat Jan 13, 2014 9:10 am


Originally Posted by Reid (Post 22142268)
I'm trying to book an award flight for my grandparents. I want it to be a 1-stop flight and that limits my options to AA. Does AA ever make exceptions to the 4 hour layover rule? My only legal option is a 6:20am departure with a 2 hour drive to the airport. There is a flight later in the day, but it involves a ~5 hour stopover.


someone will correct me. but the 4 hr rule should NOT apply if you are taking the next AA flight out.

So of you take the "later than 6:20 flight" and arrive at the connection point and need to wait 5 hrs for the nextAA flight, this should be fine.

How are you trying to find flights????????

greg0ire Jan 13, 2014 10:01 am

Exception to 4 hour Stopover Rule
 
I'm flying LAX-MIA, arriving at 10pm then taking the 6:25pm flight the next day to BGI. It wasn't difficult to book. I chose not to take the AM flight so I could enjoy the day. Returning, I have a 5 hour layover in MIA so I can be on 763 instead if 757. Didn't seem to be an issue with Advantage desk.

FWAAA Jan 13, 2014 10:11 am


Originally Posted by Exec_Plat (Post 22145016)
someone will correct me. but the 4 hr rule should NOT apply if you are taking the next AA flight out.

So of you take the "later than 6:20 flight" and arrive at the connection point and need to wait 5 hrs for the nextAA flight, this should be fine.

I agree that it shouldn't apply when there simply aren't flights within four hours, but in my experience, the rule still applies.


Originally Posted by greg0ire (Post 22145348)
I'm flying LAX-MIA, arriving at 10pm then taking the 6:25pm flight the next day to BGI. It wasn't difficult to book. I chose not to take the AM flight so I could enjoy the day. Returning, I have a 5 hour layover in MIA so I can be on 763 instead if 757. Didn't seem to be an issue with Advantage desk.

BGI is international, so the rule is that you must depart the intermediate point within 24 hours (not four hours, as applies to domestic travel):


•No en route stopovers permitted. A stopover occurs when the customer does not depart an intermediate point within 4 hours for domestic travel or within 24 hours for international travel.

greg0ire Jan 13, 2014 4:23 pm


Originally Posted by FWAAA (Post 22145405)
I agree that it shouldn't apply when there simply aren't flights within four hours, but in my experience, the rule still applies.



BGI is international, so the rule is that you must depart the intermediate point within 24 hours (not four hours, as applies to domestic travel):

Ah, thanks...it was more fun when I thought I was cheating the system on the outbound. :)

mfinn Aug 16, 2014 4:23 pm

CSR said AA is considering changing 4 hr rule to 16 hr. Anyone hear similar?

JonNYC Aug 16, 2014 6:02 pm


Originally Posted by mfinn (Post 23375043)
CSR said AA is considering changing 4 hr rule to 16 hr. Anyone hear similar?

Anything's possible, but I wouldn't give much credence to such a report until/unless we hear it somewhere else.

JMN57 Aug 16, 2014 6:05 pm


Originally Posted by mfinn (Post 23375043)
CSR said AA is considering changing 4 hr rule to 16 hr. Anyone hear similar?

I think that unlikely as it would then allow someone on business to fly in, do business and fly out in the evening as a thru fare (example - LGA-ORD, leave airport do meeting, come back to airport and then fly ORD-SFO in the evening. I think AA would rather that be priced as separate legs of an itinerary.

JonNYC Aug 16, 2014 7:50 pm


Originally Posted by mfinn (Post 23375043)
CSR said AA is considering changing 4 hr rule to 16 hr. Anyone hear similar?

Ya'know.... hmmm.. any chance you misheard and the AAgent said "6 hours"?

sukn Aug 16, 2014 8:07 pm


Originally Posted by mfinn (Post 23375043)
CSR said AA is considering changing 4 hr rule to 16 hr. Anyone hear similar?

In certain markets the stopover rule has been extended from 4 hrs. to 18 hrs. to align with USAir. Basically the markets are cities with limited connection opportunities to begin with.

Change applies to revenue and award travel though award travel is limited to AA and USAir metals.

mfinn Aug 17, 2014 6:36 am


Originally Posted by JonNYC (Post 23375623)
Ya'know.... hmmm.. any chance you misheard and the AAgent said "6 hours"?

Yup, quite possible.

mfinn Aug 17, 2014 6:40 am


Originally Posted by sukn (Post 23375665)
In certain markets the stopover rule has been extended from 4 hrs. to 18 hrs. to align with USAir. Basically the markets are cities with limited connection opportunities to begin with.

Change applies to revenue and award travel though award travel is limited to AA and USAir metals.

Which markets?


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