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As one who passes thru LAX a fair amount I see LAX GA's at work and they are usually very good at working out overbooked situations. I find it hard to understand why 6 volunteers couldn't be seduced into accepting a high enough offer say $1200 or $1500 with travel later the same day. Could it be that the merger managers have started to tie the hands of GA's?
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Originally Posted by pssteve
(Post 20569171)
As one who passes thru LAX a fair amount I see LAX GA's at work and they are usually very good at working out overbooked situations. I find it hard to understand why 6 volunteers couldn't be seduced into accepting a high enough offer say $1200 or $1500 with travel later the same day. Could it be that the merger managers have started to tie the hands of GA's?
[Based on info about the GA, would you have trusted what she says?--No, but only after reading this thread.] |
Originally Posted by nrr
(Post 20569324)
If I were on the flight, I'd have accepted half of what you suggest.:D However there are many posts here on FT, where pax have agreed to being VDB'd and later (after they lost their exit aisle seat), wound up in the last row in a middle sear--since their seat wasn't needed.:td:
[Based on info about the GA, would you have trusted what she says?--No, but only after reading this thread.] But yea, in many cases I would have taken a bump for far less than the $1200 amount; assuming I could still get where I needed to be when I needed to be there. |
Originally Posted by pssteve
(Post 20569171)
As one who passes thru LAX a fair amount I see LAX GA's at work and they are usually very good at working out overbooked situations. I find it hard to understand why 6 volunteers couldn't be seduced into accepting a high enough offer say $1200 or $1500 with travel later the same day. Could it be that the merger managers have started to tie the hands of GA's?
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Originally Posted by Thumper
(Post 20568478)
At some point a business has to make rules and regulations that can be applied the majority of the time. The biggest crime here was mentioned briefly on page 3 or 4 - Sensationalist headlines created to sell news! And the key component in this is there must be clear victim and there must be a clear villain. Children stranded was a lousy stab at reducing a complex issue to 6 words or less.
So I guess this places me firmly in the AA apologist column. If it had been the whole group, then wouldn't be an issue |
Originally Posted by nrr
(Post 20569324)
If I were on the flight, I'd have accepted half of what you suggest.:D However there are many posts here on FT, where pax have agreed to being VDB'd and later (after they lost their exit aisle seat), wound up in the last row in a middle sear--since their seat wasn't needed.:td:
[Based on info about the GA, would you have trusted what she says?--No, but only after reading this thread.]
Originally Posted by Antarius
(Post 20569539)
Definitely. When in doubt, it has to be the merger! ;)
Mike |
Originally Posted by Antarius
(Post 20569539)
Definitely. When in doubt, it has to be the merger! ;)
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Originally Posted by LAXative
(Post 20566365)
If they're not ready to deal with the hazards of traveling and being caretakers, maybe they shouldn't be leading such a large group of young humans across the country.
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It's not about being special or important. Its not about entitlement. The whole point is that when you IDB part of a group you impact the whole group. And when it's a children's group, the chaperone requirements that groups commonly adopt - and there are reasons that such practices are common - magnify the impact and complexity of IDB'ing only a portion of such a group. This needs to factor into the IDB decision, and if common sense isn't enough for a GA to make a decision that impacts the fewest people then a simple addition to the IDB policy would suffice - "Avoid breaking up a chaperoned group."
Originally Posted by Thumper
(Post 20568478)
First, I confess to skipping the middle 8 pages of posts.
Children traveling to Washington is a very cool thing. My concern here is what constitutes for many a "special circumstance" and who gets to determine who goes first. Do we need at new TOC that reads to the effect: School children traveling to National Capital trump School traveling for sports. School children traveling for sports trump illness travel. Bereavement travel trumps sports travel. EXPs traveling trump sick adults, lose to sick children. Death travel trumps handicapped travel. Handicapped travel trumps sick mother, dying father PLTs trump, well, only Gold of course........... and so on......... In the world of entitlement, I assure you everyone can make a very good case as to why they are the most important person on the plane (other than me, of course. DYKWIA?) At some point a business has to make rules and regulations that can be applied the majority of the time. The biggest crime here was mentioned briefly on page 3 or 4 - Sensationalist headlines created to sell news! And the key component in this is there must be clear victim and there must be a clear villain. Children stranded was a lousy stab at reducing a complex issue to 6 words or less. So I guess this places me firmly in the AA apologist column. |
Originally Posted by LAXative
(Post 20566365)
If they're not ready to deal with the hazards of traveling and being caretakers, maybe they shouldn't be leading such a large group of young humans across the country.
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Originally Posted by FlyDeltaJets87
(Post 20568043)
However, this opens a whole can of worms because school policy and district or state law may have prevented this (in fact, I would be surprised if it doesn't, mandating a chaperone to student ratio).
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251 posts and I wasn't going through all of them
I do take this flight often and have two middle school age kids so I'm interested if there was any resolution to what happened to the kids? thanks |
Originally Posted by BrewerSEA
(Post 20572613)
A law mandating student:teacher ration on school trips? God I hope that we haven't gotten that ridiculous.
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Originally Posted by Dave Noble
(Post 20573075)
Sorry? What would be ridiculous about having a max number of students per teacher ? would seem to come under reasonable duty of care to make sure that there are enough supervisors
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Originally Posted by turkeyRIOO
(Post 20573506)
Where has personal responsibility gone in this day and age? A law for everything? We pay the principal a sizable amount for his judgement. By the time Obama got done done with a law mandating a student teacher ratio, we would have something ridiculous like 4 seats on a 737-800 blocked by plastic tables.
In the principal's professional judgement, leaving a half dozen 12 year olds stranded at LAX, even perhaps with a parent volunteer who's not trained and signed up to handle all situations, was not acceptable, and most of us here agree with him. It's the AA GA who exercised extremely poor judgement, then tried to browbeat the principal into accepting her mistake. Student teacher ratios are very common at all levels of school, and have been for decades (before Obama or GW Bush, for that matter), with the numbers obviously changing over time and as the kids get older. That may be a fun argument pro/con, but really isn't relevant to the issues here. |
The answer to your question is upthread, and included courtesy accommodation at DFW and onward travel the next day.
Originally Posted by TrojanHorse
(Post 20573011)
251 posts and I wasn't going through all of them
I do take this flight often and have two middle school age kids so I'm interested if there was any resolution to what happened to the kids? thanks |
Originally Posted by turkeyRIOO
(Post 20573506)
Where has personal responsibility gone in this day and age? A law for everything? We pay the principal a sizable amount for his judgement. By the time Obama got done done with a law mandating a student teacher ratio, we would have something ridiculous like 4 seats on a 737-800 blocked by plastic tables.
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Originally Posted by mvoight
(Post 20574809)
I don't see that as ridiculous
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Originally Posted by turkeyRIOO
(Post 20573506)
Where has personal responsibility gone in this day and age? A law for everything? We pay the principal a sizable amount for his judgement. By the time Obama got done done with a law mandating a student teacher ratio, we would have something ridiculous like 4 seats on a 737-800 blocked by plastic tables.
Mike |
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