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● Award routing is subject to "MPM" of 25% - Maximum Permitted Miles, meaning you can only book an award routing that does not exceed available direct routing by 25%.
● The routing must also be a valid routing (published through fare) on the governing / longhaul carrier's routes.
● "Ticketed Point Deductions" on some routings may extend MPM.
● USA stopovers at port of entry or departure for awards have been eliminated (e.g. LHR-LAX <stop> ORD is no longer valid).
(lower right wiki corner)● Award routing is subject to "MPM" of 25% - Maximum Permitted Miles, meaning you can only book an award routing that does not exceed available direct routing by 25%.
● The routing must also be a valid routing (published through fare) on the governing / longhaul carrier's routes.
● "Ticketed Point Deductions" on some routings may extend MPM.
● USA stopovers at port of entry or departure for awards have been eliminated (e.g. LHR-LAX <stop> ORD is no longer valid).
MPM / Maximum Permitted Mileage & Ticketed Point Deductions (merged threads)
Sep 9, 2005, 9:26 am
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MPM / Maximum Permitted Mileage & Ticketed Point Deductions (merged threads)
Hi,
I’m trying to route this following
BOS-MIA-ORD = 6408 (within MPM)
LHR-ORD-BOS = 4820 (within MPM)
The following are the routing for the fare:
AT01 /VIA THE ATLANTIC/ MPM 3920
TICKETED POINT DEDUCTION OF 1000 MILES APPLIES
WHEN TRAVEL IS VIA CHI AND/OR DFW
PROVIDED ALL TRAVEL IS ON AA WITHIN AREA 1
TICKETED POINT DEDUCTION OF 1500 MILES APPLIES
WHEN TRAVEL IS VIA MIA
PROVIDED ALL TRAVEL IS ON AA WITHIN AREA 1
The fare jumps when I try to ticket, calling AA, I was told it’s because you are exceeding you mileage and hence 25% jump?
Is this correct?
I’m trying to route this following
BOS-MIA-ORD = 6408 (within MPM)
LHR-ORD-BOS = 4820 (within MPM)
The following are the routing for the fare:
AT01 /VIA THE ATLANTIC/ MPM 3920
TICKETED POINT DEDUCTION OF 1000 MILES APPLIES
WHEN TRAVEL IS VIA CHI AND/OR DFW
PROVIDED ALL TRAVEL IS ON AA WITHIN AREA 1
TICKETED POINT DEDUCTION OF 1500 MILES APPLIES
WHEN TRAVEL IS VIA MIA
PROVIDED ALL TRAVEL IS ON AA WITHIN AREA 1
The fare jumps when I try to ticket, calling AA, I was told it’s because you are exceeding you mileage and hence 25% jump?
Is this correct?
Sep 9, 2005, 9:26 am
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MPM exceed ... huh?
Hi,
I’m trying to route this following
BOS-MIA-ORD = 6408 (within MPM)
LHR-ORD-BOS = 4820 (within MPM)
The following are the routing for the fare:
AT01 /VIA THE ATLANTIC/ MPM 3920
TICKETED POINT DEDUCTION OF 1000 MILES APPLIES
WHEN TRAVEL IS VIA CHI AND/OR DFW
PROVIDED ALL TRAVEL IS ON AA WITHIN AREA 1
TICKETED POINT DEDUCTION OF 1500 MILES APPLIES
WHEN TRAVEL IS VIA MIA
PROVIDED ALL TRAVEL IS ON AA WITHIN AREA 1
The fare jumps when I try to ticket, calling AA, I was told it’s because you are exceeding you mileage and hence 25% jump?
Is this correct?
I’m trying to route this following
BOS-MIA-ORD = 6408 (within MPM)
LHR-ORD-BOS = 4820 (within MPM)
The following are the routing for the fare:
AT01 /VIA THE ATLANTIC/ MPM 3920
TICKETED POINT DEDUCTION OF 1000 MILES APPLIES
WHEN TRAVEL IS VIA CHI AND/OR DFW
PROVIDED ALL TRAVEL IS ON AA WITHIN AREA 1
TICKETED POINT DEDUCTION OF 1500 MILES APPLIES
WHEN TRAVEL IS VIA MIA
PROVIDED ALL TRAVEL IS ON AA WITHIN AREA 1
The fare jumps when I try to ticket, calling AA, I was told it’s because you are exceeding you mileage and hence 25% jump?
Is this correct?
Sep 9, 2005, 9:58 am
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Originally Posted by kenfry
Hi,
I’m trying to route this following
BOS-MIA-ORD = 6408 (within MPM)
LHR-ORD-BOS = 4820 (within MPM)
The following are the routing for the fare:
AT01 /VIA THE ATLANTIC/ MPM 3920
TICKETED POINT DEDUCTION OF 1000 MILES APPLIES
WHEN TRAVEL IS VIA CHI AND/OR DFW
PROVIDED ALL TRAVEL IS ON AA WITHIN AREA 1
TICKETED POINT DEDUCTION OF 1500 MILES APPLIES
WHEN TRAVEL IS VIA MIA
PROVIDED ALL TRAVEL IS ON AA WITHIN AREA 1
I’m trying to route this following
BOS-MIA-ORD = 6408 (within MPM)
LHR-ORD-BOS = 4820 (within MPM)
The following are the routing for the fare:
AT01 /VIA THE ATLANTIC/ MPM 3920
TICKETED POINT DEDUCTION OF 1000 MILES APPLIES
WHEN TRAVEL IS VIA CHI AND/OR DFW
PROVIDED ALL TRAVEL IS ON AA WITHIN AREA 1
TICKETED POINT DEDUCTION OF 1500 MILES APPLIES
WHEN TRAVEL IS VIA MIA
PROVIDED ALL TRAVEL IS ON AA WITHIN AREA 1
Sep 9, 2005, 11:11 am
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When I was building my DUB run, the deductions were cumulative for me (for stopping in ORD, RDU, and MIA)... the way I read the OP's rules, he should be getting a 2500 deduction.
But then again, AA knows best.
But then again, AA knows best.
Sep 9, 2005, 11:54 am
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My advice would be to try ticketing elsewhere. Call a travel agent or try pricing this through Expedia by entering the destination city pairs and letting Expedia find the connection you want. It will take some doing but you can get there. Or, as with anything else, call AA back and ask soemone else. You may get an answer you like the next time 'round.
Sep 9, 2005, 3:21 pm
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Ticketed point deductions are not cumulative.
Your BOS-MIA-CHI-LON is therefore eligible for the MIA ticketed point deduction only, so you start with a 6400 miles trip (note: IATA ticketed point mileage -- based on ticketed cities--is slightly different from AAdvantage airport mileage), you deduct 1500, and end up with 4900, which is exactly a 25M over the MPM of 3920.
The return is 4808 TPM, which with a 1000 deduction becomes 3808, therefore still inside of the MPM of 3920.
Your BOS-MIA-CHI-LON is therefore eligible for the MIA ticketed point deduction only, so you start with a 6400 miles trip (note: IATA ticketed point mileage -- based on ticketed cities--is slightly different from AAdvantage airport mileage), you deduct 1500, and end up with 4900, which is exactly a 25M over the MPM of 3920.
The return is 4808 TPM, which with a 1000 deduction becomes 3808, therefore still inside of the MPM of 3920.
Sep 9, 2005, 3:56 pm
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Originally Posted by hillrider
you start with a 6400 miles trip (note: IATA ticketed point mileage -- based on ticketed cities--is slightly different from AAdvantage airport mileage), you deduct 1500, and end up with 4900, which is exactly a 25M over the MPM of 3920.
Sep 9, 2005, 5:18 pm
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Originally Posted by hillrider
Ticketed point deductions are not cumulative.
Your BOS-MIA-CHI-LON is therefore eligible for the MIA ticketed point deduction only, so you start with a 6400 miles trip (note: IATA ticketed point mileage -- based on ticketed cities--is slightly different from AAdvantage airport mileage), you deduct 1500, and end up with 4900, which is exactly a 25M over the MPM of 3920.
The return is 4808 TPM, which with a 1000 deduction becomes 3808, therefore still inside of the MPM of 3920.
Your BOS-MIA-CHI-LON is therefore eligible for the MIA ticketed point deduction only, so you start with a 6400 miles trip (note: IATA ticketed point mileage -- based on ticketed cities--is slightly different from AAdvantage airport mileage), you deduct 1500, and end up with 4900, which is exactly a 25M over the MPM of 3920.
The return is 4808 TPM, which with a 1000 deduction becomes 3808, therefore still inside of the MPM of 3920.
So how would you explain what happened with my itinerary? I added MIA and ORD specifically b/c they allowed me to fly more miles without breaking MPM.
Sep 9, 2005, 7:15 pm
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Originally Posted by MazdaMP
how did you get the MPM deductions...what tool? thanks
Sep 10, 2005, 3:48 am
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Originally Posted by IceTrojan
So how would you explain what happened with my itinerary? I added MIA and ORD specifically b/c they allowed me to fly more miles without breaking MPM.
Jul 31, 2006, 6:43 pm
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MPM vs. maximum # of connections
Does AA (or any other airline, for that matter) limit the number of connections per one-way or round-trip ticket? Most fare rules mention an MPM, but none that I have seen so far speak of a connection limit -- this doesn't necessarily mean there isn't one, hence my question.
Note: I searched the forum prior to posting this and only got back "false positives," so please excuse me if this has been discussed before.
Note: I searched the forum prior to posting this and only got back "false positives," so please excuse me if this has been discussed before.
Jul 31, 2006, 7:08 pm
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Many fare rules specify the allowable connection points and this often limits to 4 segments each way, sometimes less. There isn't a global rule, it is specific to each fare.