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AS Bans Alaska State Senator After She Repeatedly Refuses to Wear a Mask
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Covidiots. What is with the people that are so entitled that their families, our families, healthcare workers and anyone else that isn’t them in particular warrant zero consideration.
So frustrating. They must obviously believe somehow it’ll just magically disappear. :rolleyes: |
I would love it if Alaska banned her.
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Originally Posted by Klrduks
(Post 32825950)
I would love it if Alaska banned her.
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While alaska airlines does absolutely have the right to make up its own rules, I do think they might want to consider making masks only a recommendation (not required) for in-state alaska only flights. The reason is that every other in-state small airlines do not have a mask requirement while in-flight either (lake pen air, various bush planes and so on). I've taken multiple flights within Alaska on other companies where masks weren't required nor worn by passengers, so having the requirement for in-state alaska travel puts AS at a competitive disadvantage and mostly annoys folks who don't really want to wear the mask. Well I guess due to them being a near-monopoly its not a big disadvantage but regardless, the rules are different on alaska vs other smaller instate planes.
This is independent of whether masks are a good idea or not or whatever, it is simply the reality that most people within alaska don't really care much for them and don't wear them on other in-state flights done by other companies. Alaska Airlines certainly has the right to force an extra safety step, but they can just try to match the in-state industry standard also. |
Originally Posted by nomiiiii
(Post 32826148)
While alaska airlines does absolutely have the right to make up its own rules, I do think they might want to consider making masks only a recommendation (not required) for in-state alaska only flights. The reason is that every other in-state small airlines do not have a mask requirement while in-flight either (lake pen air, various bush planes and so on).
Fortunately I don’t think AS is stupid enough to do that. https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019...-guidance.html |
Originally Posted by nomiiiii
(Post 32826148)
While alaska airlines does absolutely have the right to make up its own rules, I do think they might want to consider making masks only a recommendation (not required) for in-state alaska only flights. The reason is that every other in-state small airlines do not have a mask requirement while in-flight either (lake pen air, various bush planes and so on). I've taken multiple flights within Alaska on other companies where masks weren't required nor worn by passengers, so having the requirement for in-state alaska travel puts AS at a competitive disadvantage and mostly annoys folks who don't really want to wear the mask.
This is independent of whether masks are a good idea or not or whatever, it is simply the reality that most people within alaska don't really care much for them and don't wear them on other in-state flights done by other companies. Alaska Airlines certainly has the right to force an extra safety step, but they can just try to match the in-state industry standard also. Good for those companies and people for standing up for the freedom to make selfish choices that have been shown to kill people. But not the freedom that people should be relatively safe from others, and not die from something that was preventable with cooperation from fellow humans. Which would have involved an annoying piece of cloth, yuck! |
Originally Posted by alphaeagle
(Post 32826216)
Wow! I didn't realize that other AK airlines didn't have such a requirement.
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Originally Posted by nomiiiii
(Post 32826148)
While alaska airlines does absolutely have the right to make up its own rules, I do think they might want to consider making masks only a recommendation (not required) for in-state alaska only flights. The reason is that every other in-state small airlines do not have a mask requirement while in-flight either (lake pen air, various bush planes and so on). I've taken multiple flights within Alaska on other companies where masks weren't required nor worn by passengers, so having the requirement for in-state alaska travel puts AS at a competitive disadvantage and mostly annoys folks who don't really want to wear the mask. Well I guess due to them being a near-monopoly its not a big disadvantage but regardless, the rules are different on alaska vs other smaller instate planes.
This is independent of whether masks are a good idea or not or whatever, it is simply the reality that most people within alaska don't really care much for them and don't wear them on other in-state flights done by other companies. Alaska Airlines certainly has the right to force an extra safety step, but they can just try to match the in-state industry standard also. |
Those tiny in-state airlines probably don't connect passengers to/from the rest of the world at the scale that AS does. As long as covid is a significant risk in much of their route network, people should wear masks throughout the *entire* route network.
I'm sort of assuming that the caseloads in rural Alaska are low. You could argue that all passengers on any airline should mask up on every flight - no matter how small - and won't get any argument from me. It's a tiny inconvenience that can reduce the spread of the disease by a modest amount. It's an easy, free, zero-side-effect thing we can do right now. It continues to boggle my mind how this, of all things, became political. |
Originally Posted by nomiiiii
(Post 32826148)
I've taken multiple flights within Alaska on other companies where masks weren't required nor worn by passengers, so having the requirement for in-state alaska travel puts AS at a competitive disadvantage and mostly annoys folks who don't really want to wear the mask.
Alaska Airlines certainly has the right to force an extra safety step, but they can just try to match the in-state industry standard also. Why would they try to match the in-state industry standard when they are matching the national and international industry standard? Wouldn't you rather have the other airlines match those standards? |
Originally Posted by pinniped
(Post 32826381)
Those tiny in-state airlines probably don't connect passengers to/from the rest of the world at the scale that AS does. As long as covid is a significant risk in much of their route network, people should wear masks throughout the *entire* route network.
I'm sort of assuming that the caseloads in rural Alaska are low. You could argue that all passengers on any airline should mask up on every flight - no matter how small - and won't get any argument from me. It's a tiny inconvenience that can reduce the spread of the disease by a modest amount. It's an easy, free, zero-side-effect thing we can do right now. It continues to boggle my mind how this, of all things, became political. |
I'm completely mystified that 8+ months into this we are still having a debate about this topic, and furthermore, that this debate is being championed by no less than 50% of the supposed "leadership" of this country. What an absolute embarrasment.
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Originally Posted by nomiiiii
(Post 32826148)
I do think they might want to consider making masks only a recommendation (not required) for in-state alaska only flights. The reason is that every other in-state small airlines do not have a mask requirement while in-flight either (lake pen air, various bush planes and so on)
Are there any other safety guidelines you'd like Alaska to ignore, while you're at it? Maybe quit doing some maintenance? It's probably not THAT important to be safe. |
Originally Posted by EAJuggalo
(Post 32826394)
While it may put them at a competitive disadvantage with some flyers, it puts them at an advantage to others. How many people are we seeing talking about switching flights from WN to DL in Dec when DL is blocking some seats and WN is not? I am much more likely to fly an airline with a strict mask requirement right now.
Why would they try to match the in-state industry standard when they are matching the national and international industry standard? Wouldn't you rather have the other airlines match those standards? |
Originally Posted by ashill
(Post 32826617)
That assumption would be wrong from a casual glance at, say, the NY Times county-by-county (or census area by census area) case map. Some of the rural areas in Alaska have north of 100 daily cases per 100,000 people, consistent with the pattern pretty much everywhere else: this is no longer confined to dense urban areas.
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Place these non-believers into a hospital observation for 24 hours and they would instantly become believers. These people are currently out of touch of what's happening at frontline and have placed no thought of how much hospital workers are going to saving every lives. Who will save them for their mis-judgement? Hospital workers. So selfish....
Jiburi |
AS should ban the rule evading no-masker. Then let her find her way to JNU from ANC or SEA all on her own.
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Originally Posted by pinniped
(Post 32830339)
*shrug* Then that is even more of an argument in favor of AS requiring masks throughout their entire route network.
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What everyone is missing is the fact that the air carriers flying only within Alaska are regional carriers. They do not have an in-flight cabin crew to enforce any mask requirements. RAVN, the only other carrier with cabin crews, has not flown since the beginning of the pandemic and is now just starting to fly again. AS is most definitely enforcing the mask protocols. The others do not have people onboard to do that.
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No shoes, no shirt non service. No mask ....
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The latest:
Alaska Airlines said Saturday that it has banned state Sen. Lora Reinbold, R-Eagle River, from its flights for continuing to refuse to follow mask-wearing requirements for travelers.“We have notified Senator Lora Reinbold that she is not permitted to fly with us for her continued refusal to comply with employee instruction regarding the current mask policy,” spokesman Tim Thompson said by email. “This suspension is effective immediately, pending further review. Federal law requires all guests to wear a mask over their nose and mouth at all times during travel, including throughout the flight, during boarding and deplaning, and while traveling through an airport,” he said. https://alaskalandmine.com/landmines...h-mask-policy/ |
It’s good politics for her to pick this fight. Added protections for senators attending sessions will make for flashy headlines. It’s a way to pick a fight with the federal rule too. (I am not excusing it, just saying it’s more calculated.)
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Ahh, come on, folks, doncha know this is all a big hoax? Well, it is until you watch what covid does to many of its victims or, even worse, you watch someone die of this horrible disease which causes many to basically suffocate to death. Of course, it's just the flu and the fatalities are all lies. I cannot conceive how these deniers and covidiots can be so, frankly, stupid and so uncaring for others around them. Has anyone met a health care worker who thinks this is a hoax?
I will fly Alaska because they do care about their employees and their customers. By the way, the NFL is considering making vaccination required to attend NFL games this year.....please support such moves...some of those who are such lazy and inconsiderate people might decide they'd like to go to a sporting event. Personally I will no longer support any business that does not require masks on its premises including those in the sky! |
Originally Posted by kileysmom
(Post 33205283)
Has anyone met a health care worker who thinks this is a hoax?
Even 15 months into this pandemic I am eagerly gathering data. It makes me say hmmm when I hear that 66% of LA county healthcare workers are refusing to get the vaccine (depending on source). Simple solution amidst the uncertainty. If you are concerned, wear a mask. If you are not concerned, then don’t wear one. Businesses should have a right to mandate what their customers do. Government should not. So even though I disagree with it, I follow AS policy because I choose to fly them. |
Originally Posted by DuckFlyer
(Post 33205413)
I hear that 66% of LA county healthcare workers are refusing to get the vaccine.
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Originally Posted by DuckFlyer
(Post 33205413)
Businesses should have a right to mandate what their customers do. Government should not.
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Originally Posted by eponymous_coward
(Post 33205481)
Try entering certain countries without proof of yellow fever vaccination, and let us know how asserting that a government cannot mandate your choices went for you.
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Originally Posted by kileysmom
(Post 33205283)
Has anyone met a health care worker who thinks this is a hoax?
I will fly Alaska because they do care about their employees and their customers. Personally I will no longer support any business that does not require masks on its premises including those in the sky! |
OK by me and I applaud Alaska Airlines to hold to their standards.
Seat blocking, cleaning, and mask compliance are reasons I have been choosing to fly Alaska Airlines since CoVid. |
Originally Posted by DuckFlyer
(Post 33205413)
I have personally asked many health care workers their opinion on COVID and there certainly is not consensus on COVID being more dangerous than the flu (which kills so many people every year).
Even 15 months into this pandemic I am eagerly gathering data. It makes me say hmmm when I hear that 66% of LA county healthcare workers are refusing to get the vaccine (depending on source). Simple solution amidst the uncertainty. If you are concerned, wear a mask. If you are not concerned, then don’t wear one. Businesses should have a right to mandate what their customers do. Government should not. So even though I disagree with it, I follow AS policy because I choose to fly them. https://scontent-sea1-1.xx.fbcdn.net...d5&oe=60AE0C7F |
Copy and Paste from my comment in the Washington Post:
One less moron that I have to fly with on Alaska--and one less occupied seat-good job, AS! |
Originally Posted by pinniped
(Post 32826381)
Those tiny in-state airlines probably don't connect passengers to/from the rest of the world at the scale that AS does. As long as covid is a significant risk in much of their route network, people should wear masks throughout the *entire* route network.
I'm sort of assuming that the caseloads in rural Alaska are low. You could argue that all passengers on any airline should mask up on every flight - no matter how small - and won't get any argument from me. It's a tiny inconvenience that can reduce the spread of the disease by a modest amount. It's an easy, free, zero-side-effect thing we can do right now. It continues to boggle my mind how this, of all things, became political. |
Originally Posted by Steve in Olympia
(Post 33206412)
Your "facts" are simply wrong. You are a Covid denier. Covid is far more deadly than influenza.
https://scontent-sea1-1.xx.fbcdn.net...d5&oe=60AE0C7F |
Probably up on FT elsewhere, but
Alaska Airlines bans Eagle River lawmaker for violating COVID-19 mask policy https://www.adn.com/politics/alaska-...9-mask-policy/ |
Let her swim!---or buy her a one way ticket to India.
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Originally Posted by isaacchambers
(Post 33206574)
Remember the stats for 1918 do not include all the states that are used in the 2020 calculation. I would like to know what effect it would if all states would be included in the 1918 rate. Regardless of pandemic opinions on this board - i have big issues with the NYT statistical analysis - it can be very selective and assume statistical fact where it was actually editorial opinion/assumption.
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Moderator Note
Since this thread is devolving rather than evolving, we'll close. If there are any news updates, it can be reopened.
dayone, AS Moderator |
Alaska lawmaker drove 750 miles, took ferry after airline ban over mask
From her Facebook: "Alaska I went to new heights to serve you" |
The case of an Alaska senator vs AS
Please feel free to merge into an existing thread. Thank you.
JUNEAU — Eagle River Republican Sen. Lora Reinbold has asked to be excused from legislative business in the state Capitol, telling fellow lawmakers that her ban from Alaska Airlines makes it impossible to fly into Juneau. ... Reinbold was banned from Alaska Airlines earlier this year for failing to follow the company’s COVID-19 rules on mask wearing. https://www.adn.com/politics/alaska-...rk-at-capitol/ See also "This thread is closed for cleanup and some moderator action." https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/alas...s-current.html |
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