Attaining AS Elite Status with Hainan Airlines?
#31
Join Date: Mar 2017
Location: British Columbia
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Did your out of pocket costs go down with the double mile promotion?
Absolutely, your RDM CPM is lower but that does not lower your cost of EQM for Elite requalification. If you are looking at the additional RDM as a rebate towards you out of pocket, again that does not lower your cost of EQM for Elite requalification.
In my world, attaining MVPG75K accumulates RDM faster than I can burn them. Balancing revenue and awards to maintain status isn't easy. I have already flown 3 JL F awards this year and have another next month, as well, I booked 12 CX, JL and QF J & F awards last year. I still have over 550K miles; adding another 30K EQM to requalify for MVPG75K (which I will have completed by mid-May) will yield a minimum of another 117,500 RDM with the 50K bonus. The double miles, if you are flying the route just for the bonus, is great if you need RDM but adds no additional benefit for Elite requalification so I don't follow how you ticket is cheaper.
James in Doha
#32
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Really?? Interesting world you live in.
Did your out of pocket costs go down with the double mile promotion?
Absolutely, your RDM CPM is lower but that does not lower your cost of EQM for Elite requalification. If you are looking at the additional RDM as a rebate towards you out of pocket, again that does not lower your cost of EQM for Elite requalification.
In my world, attaining MVPG75K accumulates RDM faster than I can burn them. Balancing revenue and awards to maintain status isn't easy. I have already flown 3 JL F awards this year and have another next month, as well, I booked 12 CX, JL and QF J & F awards last year. I still have over 550K miles; adding another 30K EQM to requalify for MVPG75K (which I will have completed by mid-May) will yield a minimum of another 117,500 RDM with the 50K bonus. The double miles, if you are flying the route just for the bonus, is great if you need RDM but adds no additional benefit for Elite requalification so I don't follow how you ticket is cheaper.
James in Doha
Did your out of pocket costs go down with the double mile promotion?
Absolutely, your RDM CPM is lower but that does not lower your cost of EQM for Elite requalification. If you are looking at the additional RDM as a rebate towards you out of pocket, again that does not lower your cost of EQM for Elite requalification.
In my world, attaining MVPG75K accumulates RDM faster than I can burn them. Balancing revenue and awards to maintain status isn't easy. I have already flown 3 JL F awards this year and have another next month, as well, I booked 12 CX, JL and QF J & F awards last year. I still have over 550K miles; adding another 30K EQM to requalify for MVPG75K (which I will have completed by mid-May) will yield a minimum of another 117,500 RDM with the 50K bonus. The double miles, if you are flying the route just for the bonus, is great if you need RDM but adds no additional benefit for Elite requalification so I don't follow how you ticket is cheaper.
James in Doha
For the rest of us, miles have real value, so getting a mileage rebate is equivalent to lower cost. It doesn't lower the cost of that flight, but it pays for part of a different flight, so, yes, out of pocket costs are lowered.
#33
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Location: Philippines
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Considering I fly Australia to USA Round trip every month, balancing between nine purchased O class tickets and three QF 110K business class tickets, double miles lowers my actual costs. The double miles promo effectively gives me an extra QF 110K business class redemption. So - yes - in my world - it is cheaper.
#34
Join Date: Aug 2017
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From the costs listed in this thread, it will take you anywhere from $4000-6000 to get elite mvp gold status (assuming you don't want to do cheap economy transcon runs). Why not just bank that money and use it to buy business class outright or bid for upgrades? Assuming a $500 each way bid on the longhaul or a typical $2000-3000 business class roundtrip flight with a good deal, you can easily get 4-6 oneway flatbeds across the pacific or atlantic.
Like, what's the value prop here if you're not interested in organic alaska flying giving you status organically to use/benefit on alaska itself. There might be some value on the margins, but overall its probably not worth it too much and just better to use the thousands of dollars to buy the flight you actually want.
Like, what's the value prop here if you're not interested in organic alaska flying giving you status organically to use/benefit on alaska itself. There might be some value on the margins, but overall its probably not worth it too much and just better to use the thousands of dollars to buy the flight you actually want.
#35
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From the costs listed in this thread, it will take you anywhere from $4000-6000 to get elite mvp gold status (assuming you don't want to do cheap economy transcon runs). Why not just bank that money and use it to buy business class outright or bid for upgrades? Assuming a $500 each way bid on the longhaul or a typical $2000-3000 business class roundtrip flight with a good deal, you can easily get 4-6 oneway flatbeds across the pacific or atlantic.
Like, what's the value prop here if you're not interested in organic alaska flying giving you status organically to use/benefit on alaska itself. There might be some value on the margins, but overall its probably not worth it too much and just better to use the thousands of dollars to buy the flight you actually want.
Like, what's the value prop here if you're not interested in organic alaska flying giving you status organically to use/benefit on alaska itself. There might be some value on the margins, but overall its probably not worth it too much and just better to use the thousands of dollars to buy the flight you actually want.
#36
Join Date: Jan 2017
Location: Denver
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From the costs listed in this thread, it will take you anywhere from $4000-6000 to get elite mvp gold status (assuming you don't want to do cheap economy transcon runs). Why not just bank that money and use it to buy business class outright or bid for upgrades? Assuming a $500 each way bid on the longhaul or a typical $2000-3000 business class roundtrip flight with a good deal, you can easily get 4-6 oneway flatbeds across the pacific or atlantic.
Like, what's the value prop here if you're not interested in organic alaska flying giving you status organically to use/benefit on alaska itself. There might be some value on the margins, but overall its probably not worth it too much and just better to use the thousands of dollars to buy the flight you actually want.
Like, what's the value prop here if you're not interested in organic alaska flying giving you status organically to use/benefit on alaska itself. There might be some value on the margins, but overall its probably not worth it too much and just better to use the thousands of dollars to buy the flight you actually want.
Unless the cheapest J flights aren't on AS partners. You can usually find some very good fares on airlines like Xiamen or Air Canada for ~$2k to Asia. TAP/TK/AF/QR to Europe and the ME for $2.5k. These would all present better options, in my opinion, than paying for a flight to get MVPG+ status just to get 100% more miles, which wastes time and money which I value quite highly. Then you make yourself more captive to finding AS partners to get the 100% bonus you just spent money on to earn. But again to each their own, and I understand the thought, just one thing to go from 0-100% to get a small additional bonus, versus actually using the other benefits flying organically.
#37
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Or use the money to buy the miles when they have a sale. $6k will get you 2 R/T tickets on partners in F/J.
Unless the cheapest J flights aren't on AS partners. You can usually find some very good fares on airlines like Xiamen or Air Canada for ~$2k to Asia. TAP/TK/AF/QR to Europe and the ME for $2.5k. These would all present better options, in my opinion, than paying for a flight to get MVPG+ status just to get 100% more miles, which wastes time and money which I value quite highly. Then you make yourself more captive to finding AS partners to get the 100% bonus you just spent money on to earn. But again to each their own, and I understand the thought, just one thing to go from 0-100% to get a small additional bonus, versus actually using the other benefits flying organically.
Unless the cheapest J flights aren't on AS partners. You can usually find some very good fares on airlines like Xiamen or Air Canada for ~$2k to Asia. TAP/TK/AF/QR to Europe and the ME for $2.5k. These would all present better options, in my opinion, than paying for a flight to get MVPG+ status just to get 100% more miles, which wastes time and money which I value quite highly. Then you make yourself more captive to finding AS partners to get the 100% bonus you just spent money on to earn. But again to each their own, and I understand the thought, just one thing to go from 0-100% to get a small additional bonus, versus actually using the other benefits flying organically.
My friend was bragging about the $700 (economy) round trip flight he bought to Bangladesh. Two transfers in China; 36 hours of travel time on China Southern. I just laughed at him. Have fun trying to deal with the delays/cancellation when you don't speak Mandarin...
#38
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Location: SEA, but up and down the coast a lot
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AS MP has some neat features: one way stopovers that can be used creatively, sweet spots in the award chart, the only US based program left where a mile flown on the airline is a mile earned, nice earnings rates in some partner premium cabins. But it also has downsides; the smaller booking window means QF and CX can get sniped from you, you can't combine partners on a one-way routing, very weak options for bookings that don't touch the USA (basically CX + QF Australia + Europe connecting on AY), AS's web booking engine produces on JL sometimes and lack of SQ redemptions is a running joke, Europe is very weak compared to *A/ST and even OW programs, just BA and a random assortment of LCCs, and other than Marriott and Diner's Club there's no real entry vehicle for flexible points currencies ala AMEX MR/Chase UR/Capital One/Citibank.
All told as a mileage piggy bank it's OK but how much a premium would I pay to get AS miles over (insert reasonable *A/ST/OW program option here)? That's a pretty dollars and cents equation.
Unless the cheapest J flights aren't on AS partners. You can usually find some very good fares on airlines like Xiamen or Air Canada for ~$2k to Asia. TAP/TK/AF/QR to Europe and the ME for $2.5k. These would all present better options, in my opinion, than paying for a flight to get MVPG+ status just to get 100% more miles, which wastes time and money which I value quite highly. Then you make yourself more captive to finding AS partners to get the 100% bonus you just spent money on to earn. But again to each their own, and I understand the thought, just one thing to go from 0-100% to get a small additional bonus, versus actually using the other benefits flying organically.
#39
Join Date: Jan 2017
Location: Denver
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Lifemiles are a great redemption option in terms of price and their partners. Plus with their usual bonuses, and the fact that their CC category is airfare, you can easily spend $1K+ on miles, and get and additional 5x bonus with the AMEX Platinum, to get an additional 5k miles, so all in all a good value. Only downside is, their engine is pretty clunky to find valid city pairings and their miles expire which is quite annoying, albeit not a showstopper.
#40
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I think that having miles in multiple programs is a good idea if you earn enough to have a meaningful number in my than one program.
Unfortunately my 2 largest balances are AS (from flying, including partners) and AA (from credit cards), and most of AS' best partners are OW so there's a lot of overlap there.
I'm (at least) hoping to turn my Chase pts into an SQ Suites redemption eventually. Also I hear that SQ redemtptions are coming to AS some time in early 2042 so my retirement plans are looking solid.
Unfortunately my 2 largest balances are AS (from flying, including partners) and AA (from credit cards), and most of AS' best partners are OW so there's a lot of overlap there.
I'm (at least) hoping to turn my Chase pts into an SQ Suites redemption eventually. Also I hear that SQ redemtptions are coming to AS some time in early 2042 so my retirement plans are looking solid.
#41
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Apparently if you want to do an intra-Asia daytime flight PVG-SIN is a reasonably priced option. TBH, a program with four transfer partners like SQ KF probably means someone who can do the right credit cards probably doesn't need AS MP to redeem...
#42
Join Date: Mar 2017
Location: British Columbia
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"Hence a QF trans-Pacific ticket is now even cheaper to purchase in order to attain/retain Elite Status because my CPM is lower."
That is factually incorrect!
1) The flight is not cheapers as claimed.
2) The bonus miles do not lower your out of pocket costs on that flight as stated. "...is even cheaper"
3) It does not reduce out of pocket to attain/retain Elite Status. The bonus miles rebate will lower your out of pocket on a future flight "which does not count towards attaining/retaining Elite Staus."
That was my point! The fact that @davistev chose to skirt around the erroneous information in an attempt to justify his position and focus on the "rebate" in contradiction to his claim does not change the facts.
James in Kigali
#43
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Re:cost of status, the point is that money is fungible. Paying full price and getting a rebate is basically the same as paying a lower price unless you have cash flow issues (ignoring time-adjusted value of money due to such short time periods). Even though the out-of-pocket expenses for the particular flights that contribute towards status remain the same, the total out of pocket expenses on all flights throughout the year drop. If your have to take 10 equally-priced flights in a year, or doesn't matter if you get a 10% discount on all 10 or if you pay full price for 9 and get 1 free. Either way you are paying 9x the price of 1 flight.
RE: status with other programs: Other programs definitely earn a lot less RDM but if you are serious about earning more than you can use this should not be a consideration. RDM that you don't use have a value of 0! Having said that, a 550k balance is really not that much. My balance will be around that at the end of the year! Once it gets to the millions and looks like it will never drop below that, it might be a serious consideration though.
With the amount that you fly it might be worthwhile to collect top-tier status in as many major alliances as possible. This is useful even when redeeming on AS. Eg if you accrue to some OW airline and become emerald, when you take an award flight on any of the OW partners you can put in that FF # instead of your AS number and get emerald benefits. There is some value there when you are not flying F (eg a route within Asia with no F cabin). AS has partners in all 3 major alliances to they could technically all have some value (but OW would be the most valuable).
Also having some miles in the program of a major alliance gives you a lot more redemption options. Yes, you might be earning at 1/2 or 1/3 the rate, but, again, if the AS miles would go unused this should not be a serious consideration. You should gladly trade 3 AS miles that you will never redeem for 1 UA mile that you can redeem on a non-AS partner -- the flexibility has value.
Just a different possible strategy to think about... 500K AS + 500k UA might have more value than 2M AS.
RE: status with other programs: Other programs definitely earn a lot less RDM but if you are serious about earning more than you can use this should not be a consideration. RDM that you don't use have a value of 0! Having said that, a 550k balance is really not that much. My balance will be around that at the end of the year! Once it gets to the millions and looks like it will never drop below that, it might be a serious consideration though.
With the amount that you fly it might be worthwhile to collect top-tier status in as many major alliances as possible. This is useful even when redeeming on AS. Eg if you accrue to some OW airline and become emerald, when you take an award flight on any of the OW partners you can put in that FF # instead of your AS number and get emerald benefits. There is some value there when you are not flying F (eg a route within Asia with no F cabin). AS has partners in all 3 major alliances to they could technically all have some value (but OW would be the most valuable).
Also having some miles in the program of a major alliance gives you a lot more redemption options. Yes, you might be earning at 1/2 or 1/3 the rate, but, again, if the AS miles would go unused this should not be a serious consideration. You should gladly trade 3 AS miles that you will never redeem for 1 UA mile that you can redeem on a non-AS partner -- the flexibility has value.
Just a different possible strategy to think about... 500K AS + 500k UA might have more value than 2M AS.
#44
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Except Star Alliance, which we only have SQ, but as you know redemption will be live in 2027. And on Skyteam we only have KE which have some of the lowest cabin bonuses etc, and a harder way to redeem miles with their R/T award cost on all flights.