AS Devalues LAN
Jun 6, 2018, 2:44 pm
#17
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Jun 6, 2018, 3:10 pm
#19
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Particularly because they made the change mid-year, without much notice, elite MP members can and should request AS honor ticketed reservations at the previously published rates, at least for elite status qualification. ...
I would continue to push back if they do not honor this approach. While yes, they are permitted to change program terms/conditions at any time, it's pretty unfair to members to change the goalposts mid-year for elite qualification.
I would continue to push back if they do not honor this approach. While yes, they are permitted to change program terms/conditions at any time, it's pretty unfair to members to change the goalposts mid-year for elite qualification.
Jun 6, 2018, 4:47 pm
#20
Join Date: Apr 2008
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Wow, I just booked a One World RTW yesterday. After the AA devaluation, 100% is still earned in L class. Looks like I'll only earn 50% on LA. LA flights are a smaller portion of the trip, but I'm really hoping there are no changes to L class on QF because I have 20k BIS miles on Qantas.
Jun 6, 2018, 5:31 pm
#21
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Welcome to reality- if LA says "we're not going to pay you $$$ for our customers crediting to your program, but $$ instead because we want our reimbursement rates to be in line with what we do in our own program, you can either like it, lump it, or lose us as a partner", AS doesn't have a lot of choice. They're not in this to hand out miles to you flying LA and lose money on the deal.
Jun 6, 2018, 10:02 pm
#22
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Jun 6, 2018, 10:14 pm
#23
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The marketing airline buys (for cash) ff miles from your ffp to award(bribe) you for flying with them. Selling ff miles is a far better business than running an airline. FFP's sell ff miles for cash money $$$$:- that is what the main business is.
On OW RTW *ONE* and the like fares you can change to codeshares to maximise ff earning if the A, D or L class is available. Should be a nil cost, but some airlines may charge a service fee.
Wow, I just booked a One World RTW yesterday. After the AA devaluation, 100% is still earned in L class. Looks like I'll only earn 50% on LA. LA flights are a smaller portion of the trip, but I'm really hoping there are no changes to L class on QF because I have 20k BIS miles on Qantas.
Jun 6, 2018, 11:01 pm
#24
Join Date: Mar 2017
Location: British Columbia
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My LA flight SYD-SCLin September is now excluded from the range of eligible flights so I get 0%. Oh well, it is ONLY 7060 EQM and 15,885 RDM as MVPG75K. 😁 lol.
I think I have to do that flight a few extra times to make up the difference!!!! 🤣🤣🤣🤣
James
I think I have to do that flight a few extra times to make up the difference!!!! 🤣🤣🤣🤣
James
Jun 7, 2018, 12:09 am
#25
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That's actually a great subtlety that I didn't notice. Here's the old eligible flight number list:
I'm guessing that the latter range is all pmTAM flights. LA8000, from GRU-BOG, is, for instance. So perhaps the main motivation for this change is what they've been claiming on the page for a while:
In that case, it seems possible that this was a concession Alaska had to make in order to add (some? all?) TAM flights.
- 1–1343
- 1400–1943
- 2000–2943
- 4000–4943
- 1 - 805
- 808 - 4799
- 7500 - 8299
I'm guessing that the latter range is all pmTAM flights. LA8000, from GRU-BOG, is, for instance. So perhaps the main motivation for this change is what they've been claiming on the page for a while:
Mileage Plan is working with LATAM to add TAM flights to our award-winning program.
Jun 7, 2018, 12:45 am
#26
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LA806-807 (operated by QF as QF27-28) technically were never eligible under a strict interpretation of the rules, but supposedly the Alaska is flexible about crediting flights where the marketing and operating carriers are both Alaska partners.
James
Jun 7, 2018, 1:12 am
#27
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That's actually a great subtlety that I didn't notice. Here's the old eligible flight number list:Here's the new one:
I'm guessing that the latter range is all pmTAM flights. LA8000, from GRU-BOG, is, for instance. So perhaps the main motivation for this change is what they've been claiming on the page for a while:
In that case, it seems possible that this was a concession Alaska had to make in order to add (some? all?) TAM flights.
- 1 - 805
- 808 - 4799
- 7500 - 8299
I'm guessing that the latter range is all pmTAM flights. LA8000, from GRU-BOG, is, for instance. So perhaps the main motivation for this change is what they've been claiming on the page for a while:
In that case, it seems possible that this was a concession Alaska had to make in order to add (some? all?) TAM flights.
good catch
Jun 7, 2018, 2:27 am
#29
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Jun 7, 2018, 3:57 pm
#30
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W T F? I'm in the middle of a OW RTW (D class) and I'm flying SCL-IPC-SCL in August. I had also planned to fly LA in business (I) to South Africa later in the year. I see how they are realigning their economy class fare structure to many other airlines but to award only 100% EQM for virtually all business class fares is just obscene (really, how many full fare J/C seats are sold? And even they only get an extra 25%!). What's more is that I just accidentally stumbled over the announcement here on flyertalk. As stated earlier AS has sprung this on everyone with less than one month notice while most people make their travel plans (for leisure) several months in advance.