Originally Posted by Points Scrounger
(Post 29284006)
I was chatting recently with a fellow who expressed disgust at the AS gates @ PHL, which sounded similar to BOS.
The IND gate is very crowded, and boarding takes forever even though they usually start 20min early. |
Originally Posted by tphuang
(Post 29284856)
Guess we are going to disagreed here. AS Management (in this internal memo) is pitching building lounge in JFK as their great effort in improving their product, but that doesn't benefit y passengers or change the fact the product in the air is not competitive. And they are not lowering pricing to reflect the lack of competitiveness in their product.
The bottom line is AS doesn't want to make a play for premium transcon California-JFK. OK. They're either right or wrong on that. As far as everything that is NOT California-JFK premium transcon, it's perfectly competitive. Last I checked, AS isn't densifying their Y to 30" like UA/AA or adding a Basic Economy product, and I've had plenty of non-transcon F on other airlines where the food is "meh" in 38" pitch recliners (just flew AA F on SEA-LAX where a miscater happened and everyone got BOB Y boxes). |
Originally Posted by jddssc121
(Post 29284583)
This race to the bottom has been going on for a few year IMHO, and is why i stopped flying AS much at all. Sad to see.
AS will need to budget cut somewhere in order to compensate this, especially after buying VX. However, AS FFP is no longer as competitive as it use to be, and for int'l travelers it does not have many perks. Four partners leaving within one year also devalue the program. |
Originally Posted by eponymous_coward
(Post 29284958)
being an Armchair FlyerTalk C-Level Airline Executive™.
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Originally Posted by tphuang
(Post 29283401)
except many of the complaints that we've heard here seems to be just terrible execution of move to T7. We really don't know what options they had, but my guess is T1 is certainly available. They might not have had the space to build their own lounge, but do they really think having their own lounge is going to allow them to price at the same level as flat-bed competition? If they are actually going for the non-premium crowd to fill up F, they need to price accordingly (think sub $500) . There simply is no need to build their own lounge for that.
I'm looking at some prices in may, they are around $600 for SEA, $700 for LAS and in many cases $900 to well over $1000 for SFO/LAX. These are not good prices for what they are offering. Tomorrow I'll make a mileage run SEA-BOS-SEA and I've been looking at availability for the past few days. On each of my flights there had been four First Class seats available starting six days ago and they were priced at $1,069. (I was checking only on Alaska Airlines' website.) I thought that seemed steep given the product but I really don't know what the market will bear. I could presume that those seats were sold as my SEA-BOS flight is now sold out in F and the return has only one seat showing available for $1,069. Or perhaps MVPG 75Ks or other MVPG members who purchased more expensive fares than I did have been upgraded. I'll never know. Again, I'm happy enough with the arrangement I have but thought it interesting to read "...in many cases $900 to well over $1000 for SFO/LAX. These are not good prices for what they are offering" and then to see First Class fares >$1,000 on my flights. As for a "race to the bottom"? I can't say I've noticed it overall. My experiences flying AS have been very good. Let's see what tomorrow brings. :) |
Originally Posted by tphuang
(Post 29283401)
except many of the complaints that we've heard here seems to be just terrible execution of move to T7. We really don't know what options they had, but my guess is T1 is certainly available. They might not have had the space to build their own lounge, but do they really think having their own lounge is going to allow them to price at the same level as flat-bed competition? If they are actually going for the non-premium crowd to fill up F, they need to price accordingly (think sub $500) . There simply is no need to build their own lounge for that.
I'm looking at some prices in may, they are around $600 for SEA, $700 for LAS and in many cases $900 to well over $1000 for SFO/LAX. These are not good prices for what they are offering. |
Originally Posted by UAPremierExec
(Post 29277500)
Sad there's no mention in that Seattle Times article about a club in SFO... :(
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Originally Posted by tphuang
(Post 29284856)
Guess we are going to disagreed here. AS Management (in this internal memo) is pitching building lounge in JFK as their great effort in improving their product, but that doesn't benefit y passengers or change the fact the product in the air is not competitive. And they are not lowering pricing to reflect the lack of competitiveness in their product.
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Originally Posted by FluxTZ
(Post 29285646)
AA doesn't move out of T2 until 2020. Once that happens, AS will be converting that to a Board Room. Since it's still a little farther down the road, it explains why they may not be announcing it right at this moment.
By the way, did anyone catch the AS blog post saying the "new flagship [N] lounge will open next year?" They don't specify when, but that's the first time I've actually heard a general time frame mentioned. |
Originally Posted by eponymous_coward
(Post 29284958)
The bottom line is AS doesn't want to make a play for premium transcon California-JFK.
Originally Posted by bbinchi
(Post 29285532)
I'm an MVPG member who does not fly for work. I've maintained MVPG status for three years running and I feel fortunate to have been able to do so. I usually buy the least expensive fares in a given market and, therefore, I have low expectations of upgrades. In fact, on transcon flights from/to SEA I have no expectations of an upgrade. I'm happy enough sitting in an exit row aisle seat.
Tomorrow I'll make a mileage run SEA-BOS-SEA and I've been looking at availability for the past few days. On each of my flights there had been four First Class seats available starting six days ago and they were priced at $1,069. (I was checking only on Alaska Airlines' website.) I thought that seemed steep given the product but I really don't know what the market will bear. I could presume that those seats were sold as my SEA-BOS flight is now sold out in F and the return has only one seat showing available for $1,069. Or perhaps MVPG 75Ks or other MVPG members who purchased more expensive fares than I did have been upgraded. I'll never know. Again, I'm happy enough with the arrangement I have but thought it interesting to read "...in many cases $900 to well over $1000 for SFO/LAX. These are not good prices for what they are offering" and then to see First Class fares >$1,000 on my flights.
Originally Posted by T2A
(Post 29285674)
IDK, there are a lot of people flying Y who have boardroom memberships or priority pass who would benefit from lounge access at JFK.
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Originally Posted by Points Scrounger
(Post 29284006)
I was chatting recently with a fellow who expressed disgust at the AS gates @ PHL, which sounded similar to BOS.
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Plus PHL has the UC for BR members, right? And those with the AMEX Plat now can enjoy a nice walk to a new CL ^
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You know all this is not that hard to fix. First AS needs to have a sub-fleet of Hawaii and transcon aircraft that compete with Mint. Second, pull your head out and deal with the lack/quality of Lounges at key airports. Those two fixes would solve 80% of their current issues.
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Alaska could redeem itself with me if it did two things: (1) restores the Horizon flights out of Portland to all the prior destinations at reasonable times, and (2) find a national partner....anyone...for those routes that Alaska has no intention of servicing.
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Originally Posted by jsguyrus
(Post 29288814)
You know all this is not that hard to fix. First AS needs to have a sub-fleet of Hawaii and transcon aircraft that compete with Mint. Second, pull your head out and deal with the lack/quality of Lounges at key airports. Those two fixes would solve 80% of their current issues.
First, the list of Hawaii/transcon routes that will support a lie-flat premium to earn target ROIC on the aircraft space taken up, from traditional AS/VX hubs - is probably going to be pretty short. SFO-JFK? Sure. LAX-BOS? Probably. PDX-PHL? No way. Second, their idea of key airports for lounges that will pay for themselves, and your idea, may be very different. Delta (to use one example), typically has a lounge at a domestic airport if it operates more than 40 daily DL + DL Connection flights. There are a few airports that despite low flight counts due to perceived premium fare bookings, like DCA. What airports, plus JFK, see 40 AS flights a day? Is that the lounge network you were expecting? |
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