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jimmygottfredson Jul 30, 2018 12:40 pm


Originally Posted by mrfussion (Post 29377397)
Flying LAX-OGG in late November. The seat map is currently showing Virgin America configuration for first class. I don't want to pay $1,300 pp if the plane will be reconfigured to a standard, domestic first class. Delta is at $800 pp first class and I'd rather do that if it's going to be an Alaska configuration in first. I was able to secure the lie flats coming home on Hawaiian Airlines with an excellent price of only $623 pp. But the flight over to Maui was rating out at $1,800 pp on Hawaiian Airlines for same reason so figured I'd book something else to Maui (I remember when round trip pricing for Hawaii used to be advantageous, but it appears there is no one-way premium from what I'm seeing).

Nonetheless, question for this forum, do we have any indication when the Virgin ETOP aircraft will be reconfigured? Can I rely on the seat map displaying Virgin configured first class 9 months out?

I booked myself and the missus SFO-JFK-SFO in early October and AS recently changed out to Boeing product. Why on earth AS would use the Boeing product on WESTCOAST-JFK when that route is so competitive is surprising to me (and I get the economics of the plane itself). I called and asked for a refund of my P-class ticket. No dice. I then cancelled and refunded to the bank.

Earlier this year AS talked about the Airbuses being naturals up and down the west coast and the Boeing better longer range crafts, so it looks like this realignment is going on. The thing is I don't have a problem doing a trancon in VX F, but the AS F is way less than optimal. I would feel the same way about Hawaii.

From now on I will be booking longer flights closer in, and I'll need to be flexible to get an old VX F seat. Or shop somewhere else. I also believe that AS is really going to have a problem competing against DL/AA/UL/Mint on longer flights sooner than later. The rest of the AS package keeps the majority of my business with them, but their medium and long haul F product is a major weakness.

eponymous_coward Jul 30, 2018 12:57 pm


Originally Posted by jimmygottfredson (Post 30028616)
Why on earth AS would use the Boeing product on WESTCOAST-JFK when that route is so competitive is surprising to me (and I get the economics of the plane itself).

Because AS F out of SFO/LAX to JFK isn't selling, despite you buying it. It's all over their financials and statements to analysts. "Let's make less money", said no airline ever. An AS 737 has more Y seats than an ex-VX plane, and you can sell even more Y by upgrading to F. Flying a plane that costs less in fuel and has more Y seats and a denser F helps. More seats on the plane + similar or lower costs = easier to make money. Simple as that.


Originally Posted by jimmygottfredson (Post 30028616)
I also believe that AS is really going to have a problem competing against DL/AA/UL/Mint on longer flights sooner than later.

They said they're not going to try and run a transcon subfleet like DL/AA/UA/Mint a long time ago, comparatively speaking- back in 2017 (and the subject of about 57374674623 complaining threads and posts in this forum and the VX forum). So of course they're not going to be competitive and of course they're going to be bottom feeding for premium traffic business ex-California to NYC, because it's bottom feeding no matter what they do to dress it up, compared to a lie-flat. Either they find something closer to a market-clearing price for their sub-standard product or the seats fly empty (or full of upgraders on $149 fares, or award pax).

IMO they're copping out compared to B6 but B6 is based in NYC where there is a larger market for a subfleet (West Coast-Hawaii is not a great market for premium products, and B6 has better places nearby to use Mint-equipped planes aside from transcons), so it might be legitimate. I don't know the numbers.

socalgecko Aug 5, 2018 2:33 pm

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I'm booked on a A320 1/15 SFO-LAX as part of a trip to Japan and this week I got a reissued ticket because the time and seat assignments changed. Went online and lo and behold, it's a retrofitted 320 seating chart with 24 rows of coach. They're really packing the seats into the new configuration.

alphaeagle Aug 5, 2018 3:17 pm


Originally Posted by socalgecko (Post 30050725)
I'm booked on a A320 1/15 SFO-LAX as part of a trip to Japan and this week I got a reissued ticket because the time and seat assignments changed. Went online and lo and behold, it's a retrofitted 320 seating chart with 24 rows of coach. They're really packing the seats into the new configuration.

I'm pretty sure that is the same configuration, with the rows renumbered and three blocked seats that don't actually exist as there would be a lavatory there. The new configuration would have Y+ towards the front of the plane I'd think, rather than just changing all the exit row seats to Y+.

MonThruThurs Aug 5, 2018 5:03 pm

Does anyone know when the ViaSat legacy-VX planes are going to be gone? They need to get GoGo standardized ASAP.

AS Flyer Aug 5, 2018 5:24 pm


Originally Posted by socalgecko (Post 30050725)
I'm booked on a A320 1/15 SFO-LAX as part of a trip to Japan and this week I got a reissued ticket because the time and seat assignments changed. Went online and lo and behold, it's a retrofitted 320 seating chart with 24 rows of coach. They're really packing the seats into the new configuration.

They haven't converted any of the interiors to the new configs yet - this is an old config with 149 seats on an A320 - which is pretty standard. The new configs will start showing up later this fall

Legend717 Aug 5, 2018 5:39 pm


Originally Posted by socalgecko (Post 30050725)
I'm booked on a A320 1/15 SFO-LAX as part of a trip to Japan and this week I got a reissued ticket because the time and seat assignments changed. Went online and lo and behold, it's a retrofitted 320 seating chart with 24 rows of coach. They're really packing the seats into the new configuration.

Actually, compared to the old Virgin America A320 seat map on seatguru, that's almost exactly the same.
They've moved one lavatory into the aft galley, and added three seats.
So. Frankly, that's ZERO difference. A tripple replaced a lav.

isaac.chambers Aug 5, 2018 5:56 pm

They renumbered the rows to allow for equipment swaps. In fact this happens 2nd weekend of November.

Outbound I have 3F. Return on Monday I have 6F. Exactly the same config. 320. VX interior.

pcoll Aug 5, 2018 7:42 pm

They needed row numbering to correspond with 737 seating rows. AS has first row main as row 6. On “old” VX map, row 3 was the first row of MCS. You will notice that it has matched exit row numbers, (16,17) with AS . Row numbers jump from 10-15 on pmVX plane. This may be one reason MVP’s are getting messed with on being charged for exit rows. On AS planes, exit row is available to MVP. On VX, it is Premium and requires an upcharge for MVP. Equipment swap can cause this. If I got switched to exit on VX, I would call in and ask kindly to have premium fee waived.

sltlyamusd Aug 5, 2018 8:09 pm


Originally Posted by Legend717 (Post 30051153)
Actually, compared to the old Virgin America A320 seat map on seatguru, that's almost exactly the same.
They've moved one lavatory into the aft galley, and added three seats.
So. Frankly, that's ZERO difference. A tripple replaced a lav.

some of the VX A320s were delivered with one of the aft lavs moved to the galley. There are both 146 and 149 seat versions of the 320 currently flying. Unclear if AS intends to standardize the galleys across the fleet

brettsir Aug 22, 2018 12:34 am

For those wondering, 621 (Air Colbert) flew to VCV yesterday for a repaint.

dmodemd Aug 22, 2018 8:12 am


Originally Posted by brettsir (Post 30113835)
For those wondering, 621 (Air Colbert) flew to VCV yesterday for a repaint.

Gasp! Does that mean it will lose its name??

sutrosam Aug 22, 2018 5:13 pm


Originally Posted by dmodemd (Post 30115065)
Gasp! Does that mean it will lose its name??

Yes. Names aren't carrying over once the aircraft is repainted. I've heard AS is "keeping track" of the Airbus names in case they decide to start naming the entire fleet sometime in the future. Doubtful.

beckoa Aug 22, 2018 10:00 pm


Originally Posted by sutrosam (Post 30117418)
Yes. Names aren't carrying over once the aircraft is repainted. I've heard AS is "keeping track" of the Airbus names in case they decide to start naming the entire fleet sometime in the future. Doubtful.

And if AS were to name its whole fleet, imagine they'd choose names more Alaskan. ;)

DrAlex Aug 22, 2018 10:11 pm


Originally Posted by sutrosam (Post 30117418)
Yes. Names aren't carrying over once the aircraft is repainted. I've heard AS is "keeping track" of the Airbus names in case they decide to start naming the entire fleet sometime in the future. Doubtful.

Oh man... THIS MUST HAPPEN! The poor 737s need some lovely names. E175s and Q400s, too. Perhaps by FT volunteers? :D
How about "2 if by SEA"? "LAXadaisical"? "Juneau How Fast We're Going"? "Anchorage Away"? "SANdy Beaches"? "Chester's ride"? "Motorboat" for a Q400? C'mon!


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