breakdown of flight cost by segment
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breakdown of flight cost by segment
I have an upcoming trip on Alaska that I will be crediting to AA. Two of the segments are AS prime and the remaining segment is on AA (but booked as an AA code share, I think). To figure out how many loyal points I'll earn I need to know the cost breakdown by each segment. I have my AS receipt which is broken down by total cost and the price before taxes. I don't know how to get the cost breakdown by segment. I don't know how to get the breakdown by segment. I wouldn't be concerned with this but each segment is a separate fare class.
Thanks in advance!
Thanks in advance!
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There is no such thing as a cost breakdown by segment. You likely have one ticket with one price, whose routing rules allow you take the segments you are taking.
I'm not sure what you mean by an AA codeshare on AA, but if some of your flights have AA flight numbers, they will likely prorate the total fare by distance (though they are not required to; they can do it however they want. There it no "right" answer).
This is a better question for the AA forum, since it's about how AA's program works.
I'm not sure what you mean by an AA codeshare on AA, but if some of your flights have AA flight numbers, they will likely prorate the total fare by distance (though they are not required to; they can do it however they want. There it no "right" answer).
This is a better question for the AA forum, since it's about how AA's program works.
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Not always true. It depends how the routing prices, and sometimes a ticket will price as an O/D including connections, and other times, as segments. I don't have any examples readily available, but you can be pretty sure that when, i.e., SFO/HNL is $400, and SFO/SEA/HNL is $600 (all in the same seat bucket), that the fare construction will be split by segment.
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Not always true. It depends how the routing prices, and sometimes a ticket will price as an O/D including connections, and other times, as segments. I don't have any examples readily available, but you can be pretty sure that when, i.e., SFO/HNL is $400, and SFO/SEA/HNL is $600 (all in the same seat bucket), that the fare construction will be split by segment.
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Not always true. It depends how the routing prices, and sometimes a ticket will price as an O/D including connections, and other times, as segments. I don't have any examples readily available, but you can be pretty sure that when, i.e., SFO/HNL is $400, and SFO/SEA/HNL is $600 (all in the same seat bucket), that the fare construction will be split by segment.

The Saver fare is $131, Main +$25, $145

Saver fare is $89, Main +$30, $119

Saver fare is $157, Main +$24, $181.
Why is YVR-LAS cheaper than YVR-SEA & SEA-LAS separately? Competition! AC on the same date is $128 for a non-stop.
AA, being the only other oneworld carrier serving transborder, also flies from YVR to LAX/DFW/ORD. Interestingly, AA does not market BE fares from/to Canada, at least in the many searches I have done, so their competitive pricing is in Main cabin. Flying AA YVR-LAS with a connection through LAX or DFW starts at $129. That is competing with AC, on price. The less restrictive Main cabin fares hopefully offsetting ACs non-stop benefit, but with restrictions.
The AA Main cabin fare class is O, a 25% EQM earner. But! Any, AA flight credited to Mileage Plan will always earn the 500 EQM minimum for any member. A two-segment AA itinerary will earn 1,000 EQM. YVR-SEA-LAS on AS would earn 500 + 868 = 1368, only if you purchased the AS itinerary in Main, $52 more than the AA fare. AA $129, 1000 EQM, AS $181, 1368 EQM. 368 EQM for $52. Hmmm.
It is also a classic example of how poor earnings are in AAdvantage when flying towards AA status. The base fare of the $129 itinerary is $55. The rest is fees & taxes. An AAdvantage member, Gold, Platinum, Platinum Pro & Executive Platinum would earn 275, 385, 440, 495 & 605 Loyalt Points.
If status is the metric for attaining LP or EQM, a Mileage Plan member would earn 1% of 100K (5% of MVP) while an AA member would earn 0.1375% of EXP (0.6875% of Gold)
Through fares are definitely O/D. I don't know how AA would apportion the fare if one segment was AS marketed but an AA operated flight or if AS even has through fares with AS codeshares, but I would guess the relative distance of each segment would be the method used.
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Here's a random example:
SFO/ANC - In one fare class (in this case, Y), it prices as a thru fare, connection be damned.
SFO AS X/SEA AS ANC 809.05YH0OASMR USD809.05END ZP SFOSEA
FARE USD 809.05 TAX 5.60AY TAX 34.55US TAX 9.00XF TAX 9.60ZP
TOT USD 867.80
In a different fare class (in this case, X), it prices by segment.
>SFO AS SEA 87.44QH2OASBN AS ANC 94.21GH2YCUBN USD181.65END ZP
SFOSEA
FARE USD 181.65 TAX 5.60AY TAX 15.98US TAX 9.00XF TAX 9.60ZP
TOT USD 221.83
Sometimes AAA/BBB/ and BBB/CCC are cheaper than AAA/BBB/CCC, and when booked together, they'll price as the AAA/BBB + BBB/CCC and not as AAA/CCC (or in the case of a RT that will only price as a RT, very rare on AS), it will price as AAA/BBB RT + BBB/CCC RT (all on the same ticket - but the most restrictive segment's fare rules will apply).
SFO/ANC - In one fare class (in this case, Y), it prices as a thru fare, connection be damned.
SFO AS X/SEA AS ANC 809.05YH0OASMR USD809.05END ZP SFOSEA
FARE USD 809.05 TAX 5.60AY TAX 34.55US TAX 9.00XF TAX 9.60ZP
TOT USD 867.80
In a different fare class (in this case, X), it prices by segment.
>SFO AS SEA 87.44QH2OASBN AS ANC 94.21GH2YCUBN USD181.65END ZP
SFOSEA
FARE USD 181.65 TAX 5.60AY TAX 15.98US TAX 9.00XF TAX 9.60ZP
TOT USD 221.83
Sometimes AAA/BBB/ and BBB/CCC are cheaper than AAA/BBB/CCC, and when booked together, they'll price as the AAA/BBB + BBB/CCC and not as AAA/CCC (or in the case of a RT that will only price as a RT, very rare on AS), it will price as AAA/BBB RT + BBB/CCC RT (all on the same ticket - but the most restrictive segment's fare rules will apply).
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I don't think that anyone is saying that it's not possible to have a constructed fare.
But asking "how much am I paying per segment" if you don't know that you are on a constructed fare is not really a question that makes sense. And moreover, even if the fare is constructed, you have still only paid for transportation from the origin to the final destination (AS is not required to transport you through the connecting point just because you are on a constructed fare; if you want this buy separate tickets). So, you have not really paid for each segment individually, even if that's how AS determined how much to charge.
The relevant question (which, again, belongs on the AA forum) is, if you are on a constructed fare, will AA use the fare construction to determine the "cost" of a segment for LP/RDM accrual purposes, or will they still prorate by distance? I don't know the answer to this.
But asking "how much am I paying per segment" if you don't know that you are on a constructed fare is not really a question that makes sense. And moreover, even if the fare is constructed, you have still only paid for transportation from the origin to the final destination (AS is not required to transport you through the connecting point just because you are on a constructed fare; if you want this buy separate tickets). So, you have not really paid for each segment individually, even if that's how AS determined how much to charge.
The relevant question (which, again, belongs on the AA forum) is, if you are on a constructed fare, will AA use the fare construction to determine the "cost" of a segment for LP/RDM accrual purposes, or will they still prorate by distance? I don't know the answer to this.
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I appreciate the answers so far. Much to my surprise my tus-sea-lax-tus trip ended up with fare class V for tus-sea, fare class L for sea-lax, and fare class S for lax-tus (AA flight but can't tell if I'm booked on the prime flight or the AS codeshare).. AA says that I will get loyalty points based on fare class and distance. This trip will not make or break my next elite status so I will just ride this one out. This was all booked on the alaska website. I did try to piece this together using expertflyer after I posted my original question. I discovered I could not find fare class S for lax-tus on either alaska or american via expertflyer.
Thanks again!
Thanks again!
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I appreciate the answers so far. Much to my surprise my tus-sea-lax-tus trip ended up with fare class V for tus-sea, fare class L for sea-lax, and fare class S for lax-tus (AA flight but can't tell if I'm booked on the prime flight or the AS codeshare).. AA says that I will get loyalty points based on fare class and distance. This trip will not make or break my next elite status so I will just ride this one out. This was all booked on the alaska website. I did try to piece this together using expertflyer after I posted my original question. I discovered I could not find fare class S for lax-tus on either alaska or american via expertflyer.
Thanks again!
Thanks again!
You should also be able to see it on your itinerary on the AS website.
If you see both an AA flight number and an AS flight number then it's a codeshare.

