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Eastbay1K Sep 20, 2021 7:20 pm


Originally Posted by Eastbay1K (Post 33582424)
Yup. You can probably figure nearly 2 hours in the seat. That said, the current selection of PDBs in F make the lack of upgrade as easy to swallow as the F PDB.

Speaking of which, my upcoming flight is J1 Y0 3 days out on the E75. We'll see if I get a chocolate. The alcohol gods are telling me to wait until I'm in an LAX lounge.

Waitlisted Sep 20, 2021 8:28 pm

For me I will take the 175 any time. Quicker on and off, bigger windows if you don’t get upgraded and never a middle seat. Having said that and having done a couple of mid-cons on one I can say the F seats are not so comfortable and the legroom is less. For this short flight as many say, it probably comes down to what works best for you and which one has fewer F seats already booked.

RaingerRain Sep 22, 2021 8:28 am


Originally Posted by Eastbay1K (Post 33580716)
Traveling alone, I give a nod to the E75 for the single seat. That said, I'm 4 days out on an E75 and I don't expect an F upgrade on a mid-day SFO/LAX, and even Premium looks so so. That that said, for the hour airtime, I expect I'll survive. I survived WN last week with a B13 boarding card. (On the other hand, my 'recovery' flight was on JSX ;) )


this made me laugh so much! I love that you had a JSX recovery flight!

RaingerRain Sep 22, 2021 8:30 am


Originally Posted by Tim Fountain (Post 33582117)
LAX to SFO is likely to be ~40 minutes. It doesn't really matter, IMHO.


I appreciate yours and everyone else’s response! It sounds like it really doesn’t matter which aircraft. I’ve actually just decided to fly to SJC instead of SFO eliminating the A320 option so I know I’m going to be e175, but the next time I fly to SFO I know that it does not really matter which aircraft!

RaingerRain Sep 22, 2021 8:32 am


Originally Posted by Waitlisted (Post 33583845)
For me I will take the 175 any time. Quicker on and off, bigger windows if you don’t get upgraded and never a middle seat. Having said that and having done a couple of mid-cons on one I can say the F seats are not so comfortable and the legroom is less. For this short flight as many say, it probably comes down to what works best for you and which one has fewer F seats already booked.

Thank you so much! Good to know! I have decided to fly to SJC so I am on the 175 like you recommend

RaingerRain Sep 22, 2021 8:34 am


Originally Posted by chrisl137 (Post 33583736)
The taxi from the gate on the way out always feels like they're driving all the way back to Pasadena and could have just picked me up on the way instead of me having to drive down.


OMG! So true!
almost every time I takeoff from LAX we take off from 24 left or 24 right needing to taxi all the way around the airport. I don’t know why they almost never put us on 25 left or right

Flying for Fun Sep 22, 2021 9:54 am


Originally Posted by Rain Gonen (Post 33587756)
I appreciate yours and everyone else’s response! It sounds like it really doesn’t matter which aircraft. I’ve actually just decided to fly to SJC instead of SFO eliminating the A320 option so I know I’m going to be e175, but the next time I fly to SFO I know that it does not really matter which aircraft!

I am in the same camp as Waitlisted for all the same reasons. The windows in the A320 are small, tiny in comparison, while the windows in the E175 are larger than on the B787 Dreamliner.

The E175 has 76 seats so very quick to board & deplane. My favorite Y seat in Premium is 6D; more legroom than F. If you prefer isle seats, 6C. Across the isle, 6B is great as you have unlimited legroom to stretch out as there is no F seat directly in front of you. The only caveat is that the isle jogs over from the 1-2 F seat configuration into the Main cabin 2-2 configuration and you get bumped by every passengerror maneuvering around it. I just board later or lean away from the isle.

In F, I prefer 2A, window & isle with under seat stowage. I don't like bulkhead seating. From a window placement perspective, if you sit in Row 1, your arm & shoulder will block the aft side of the window so looking out feels unnatural as you twist your body for better viewing. In Row 2, your arm & shoulder will be just behind the window, viewing out feels more natural. In Row 3, you need to lean slightly forward for viewing & in Row 4 a more significant lean forward. Of course, with an upgrade, any F seat is the perfect seat.

In Skywest (OO) E175s, AS 4 digit flight number starting with the number '3', there is an additional window forward of the window at 1D. It provides additional natural light but viewing out isn't possible while seated. In Horizon (QX) E175s, AS 4 digit flight numbers starting with '2' there is no additional window.

https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.fly...95c956052d.jpg
SFO


James

RaingerRain Sep 22, 2021 10:41 am


Originally Posted by Flying for Fun (Post 33587999)
I am in the same camp as Waitlisted for all the same reasons. The windows in the A320 are small, tiny in comparison, while the windows in the E175 are larger than on the B787 Dreamliner.

The E175 has 76 seats so very quick to board & deplane. My favorite Y seat in Premium is 6D; more legroom than F. If you prefer isle seats, 6C. Across the isle, 6B is great as you have unlimited legroom to stretch out as there is no F seat directly in front of you. The only caveat is that the isle jogs over from the 1-2 F seat configuration into the Main cabin 2-2 configuration and you get bumped by every passengerror maneuvering around it. I just board later or lean away from the isle.

In F, I prefer 2A, window & isle with under seat stowage. I don't like bulkhead seating. From a window placement perspective, if you sit in Row 1, your arm & shoulder will block the aft side of the window so looking out feels unnatural as you twist your body for better viewing. In Row 2, your arm & shoulder will be just behind the window, viewing out feels more natural. In Row 3, you need to lean slightly forward for viewing & in Row 4 a more significant lean forward. Of course, with an upgrade, any F seat is the perfect seat.

In Skywest (OO) E175s, AS 4 digit flight number starting with the number '3', there is an additional window forward of the window at 1D. It provides additional natural light but viewing out isn't possible while seated. In Horizon (QX) E175s, AS 4 digit flight numbers starting with '2' there is no additional window.

SFO

James

thank you very much, very helpful information
i am curious to weather there is a difference in service between the a320 vs skywest e175 vs horizon e175?

PDXPremier Sep 22, 2021 11:23 am


Originally Posted by Rain Gonen (Post 33588174)
thank you very much, very helpful information
i am curious to weather there is a difference in service between the a320 vs skywest e175 vs horizon e175?

I've heard there are no ovens on the Skywest E175s which is why you won't get any hot food on the E175s compared to the A320 flights. I wouldn't be surprised to see them remove the ovens from the QX E175s since they are just adding weight and using more fuel $$.

Kacee Sep 22, 2021 11:57 am

Separate from the lack of ovens on the RJs, I find the service is more consistent (better) on AS mainline, especially compared to SkyWest.

Flying for Fun Sep 22, 2021 12:10 pm


Originally Posted by Rain Gonen (Post 33588174)
thank you very much, very helpful information
i am curious to weather there is a difference in service between the a320 vs skywest e175 vs horizon e175?


Originally Posted by PDXPremier (Post 33588307)
I've heard there are no ovens on the Skywest E175s which is why you won't get any hot food on the E175s compared to the A320 flights. I wouldn't be surprised to see them remove the ovens from the QX E175s since they are just adding weight and using more fuel $$.

While not directly on topic to the thread, I find AS mainline crew to be pretty consistent & excellent. After the VX acquisition, pre-merger I actively booked away from VX because of the filthy dumps they were and the attitude of the crew. After the merger it was immediately apparent who came from the AS side & who came from the VX side but that has waned.

I would say QX, a sister of AS, is a little more consistent, refined & in tune with Mainline crews than OO. QX provides generally excellent service and feels more AS than OO does.

Pre-pandemic, I have had some great hot meals on QX consistent with mainline offerings, sometimes exceeding. Hot meals on QX were offered despite OO not having ovens. I would hope they return to that model. As QX e175 fleet expands, AS could use QX for longer routes where a meal service is provided and use OO for shorter routes where it isn't.

Of course, upgrades are easier in some markets than others. My PHX-SFO flight was upgraded around T-117. I had a choice of any of the 12 seats in F. By OLCI, only 3 seats were occupied, 2A, 3A & 4A; popular seats. At boarding, one non-rev sat in 2C and a couple in 4CD likely paid for the upgrade at the gate. We departed with 6 in F & a total of 20 onboard.

The photo in my last post was taken on August 31st from my 2A seat on PHX-SFO for the SFO Lounge opening. We had a simultaneous parallel landing and I snapped the picture through the awesome large window. I have video of the landing but too large for FT.

James

Waitlisted Sep 22, 2021 9:02 pm


Originally Posted by Flying for Fun (Post 33587999)
I am in the same camp as Waitlisted for all the same reasons. The windows in the A320 are small, tiny in comparison, while the windows in the E175 are larger than on the B787 Dreamliner.

The E175 has 76 seats so very quick to board & deplane. My favorite Y seat in Premium is 6D; more legroom than F. If you prefer isle seats, 6C. Across the isle, 6B is great as you have unlimited legroom to stretch out as there is no F seat directly in front of you. The only caveat is that the isle jogs over from the 1-2 F seat configuration into the Main cabin 2-2 configuration and you get bumped by every passengerror maneuvering around it. I just board later or lean away from the isle.

In F, I prefer 2A, window & isle with under seat stowage. I don't like bulkhead seating. From a window placement perspective, if you sit in Row 1, your arm & shoulder will block the aft side of the window so looking out feels unnatural as you twist your body for better viewing. In Row 2, your arm & shoulder will be just behind the window, viewing out feels more natural. In Row 3, you need to lean slightly forward for viewing & in Row 4 a more significant lean forward. Of course, with an upgrade, any F seat is the perfect seat.

In Skywest (OO) E175s, AS 4 digit flight number starting with the number '3', there is an additional window forward of the window at 1D. It provides additional natural light but viewing out isn't possible while seated. In Horizon (QX) E175s, AS 4 digit flight numbers starting with '2' there is no additional window.

M
SFO


James

Good points as always James. Being PDX based, out of sheer habit I never book row 4 because on the 739s it’s not uncommon here to do a last minute swap to a 738 and that loses row 4. I last spring flew PDX/FLL/PDX (back when it was a scheduled flight) and it got down gauged and I overheard a guy doing a mileage run who was very upset. I can imagine, 12 hours in one day when he planned on having a first class seat to be moved to a middle premium.

But I digress…. Brad Tilden a couple of years ago said “Portland will be seeing a lot of the E175”. I for one hope he is right, and when that happens Ill remember your seat suggestions. I think I have 5-6 segments left this year on 175s.

985X Sep 23, 2021 3:08 am


Originally Posted by Flying for Fun (Post 33588437)
While not directly on topic to the thread, I find AS mainline crew to be pretty consistent & excellent. After the VX acquisition, pre-merger I actively booked away from VX because of the filthy dumps they were and the attitude of the crew. After the merger it was immediately apparent who came from the AS side & who came from the VX side but that has waned.

I would say QX, a sister of AS, is a little more consistent, refined & in tune with Mainline crews than OO. QX provides generally excellent service and feels more AS than OO does.

Pre-pandemic, I have had some great hot meals on QX consistent with mainline offerings, sometimes exceeding. Hot meals on QX were offered despite OO not having ovens. I would hope they return to that model. As QX e175 fleet expands, AS could use QX for longer routes where a meal service is provided and use OO for shorter routes where it isn't.

Of course, upgrades are easier in some markets than others. My PHX-SFO flight was upgraded around T-117. I had a choice of any of the 12 seats in F. By OLCI, only 3 seats were occupied, 2A, 3A & 4A; popular seats. At boarding, one non-rev sat in 2C and a couple in 4CD likely paid for the upgrade at the gate. We departed with 6 in F & a total of 20 onboard.

The photo in my last post was taken on August 31st from my 2A seat on PHX-SFO for the SFO Lounge opening. We had a simultaneous parallel landing and I snapped the picture through the awesome large window. I have video of the landing but too large for FT.

James


I was thinking of the opposite. On AUS-BOI QX, I was offered a pre-packaged cold chocolate chip cookie (it's awful btw). This is the only QX I flew which had meal service so I'm not sure about ovens on other QX flights. But on BOI-LAX and SFO-SEA OO flights, warm cookie was offered, so at least the OO flights I took actually have oven.

ORDnHKG Sep 23, 2021 9:23 pm


Originally Posted by Flying for Fun (Post 33588437)

I would say QX, a sister of AS, is a little more consistent, refined & in tune with Mainline crews than OO. QX provides generally excellent service and feels more AS than OO does.

yes, my last SJC-LAX on OO, they didn't even pass out the snack basket until someone complains, she said it is because the flight is too short, when other people complain as well, she finally took out the snack basket, the basket is already have a full set up when she took it out from the cart, she didn't even need to arrange, so there is really no excuse
FYI, she didn't even put the box water and wipes on the armrest for boarding


Originally Posted by Flying for Fun (Post 33588437)
As QX e175 fleet expands, AS could use QX for longer routes where a meal service is provided and use OO for shorter routes where it isn't.

James

Well QX already fly ORD-BOI that has meal service, same with OO flying ORD-PDX

Flying for Fun Sep 23, 2021 10:05 pm


Originally Posted by ORDnHKG (Post 33592242)
Well QX already fly ORD-BOI that has meal service, same with OO flying ORD-PDX

The discussion is about HOT meals. Nobody is saying that OO or QX doesn't have a meal service. I recently flew ORD-BOI. The service was not a hot meal & the cookie was pre-packaged.

Hot meals, at this time, are only provided in F on AS mainline flights that are 1100+ miles with a choice of 2 hot entrees. On AS, flight from 670-1099 miles and and all QX & OO flights 670+ miles have an option of two cold entrees.

https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.fly...d911743bf3.jpg

https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.fly...5736a25ecd.jpg
Cookie served on ORD-BOI 9/2/21
https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.fly...b0ebe7170b.jpg
Serving size is ⅓ of a cookie.

James


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