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mikalee Mar 15, 2019 6:00 am

Today’s [15th March 2019] Christchurch Cancellations
 
Watching the news tonight in Aus about the tragic and sorrowful attacks in Christchurch.

I did did see a clip where ANZ cancelled all prop services in and out of Christchurch but that jet services were continuing.

Does anyone know the the reason for this differentiation presumably on security grounds? I found it intriguing.

QTFLYER Mar 15, 2019 6:04 am

I assume it was based on the fact that turboprop departures don't have any security measures in place. There are no xray scanners of baggage and no metal detectors to pass through. This is reserved for jet departures.

NZbutterfly Mar 15, 2019 7:33 am

The turboprops will depart tomorrow but with increased security measures.

sbiddle Mar 15, 2019 12:03 pm

All turboprop luggage is screened, it's simply passengers that aren't

NZbutterfly Mar 15, 2019 1:38 pm


Originally Posted by sbiddle (Post 30891261)
All turboprop luggage is screened, it's simply passengers that aren't

Fastbag isn’t.

sbiddle Mar 15, 2019 1:47 pm


Originally Posted by NZbutterfly (Post 30891619)


Fastbag isn’t.

Nope.. But my understanding is all checked baggage is screened at all domestic airports with jets now.

This is to avoid having to rescreen bags that are then transferred to jet services at another airport.

jeffrocowboy Mar 15, 2019 1:53 pm

I think AirNZ could have been a bit quicker offering flexibility re Chch bookings for this weekend - initially it was only offered for Friday flights. It was immediately obvious this was of a unprecedented scale.

OZFLYER86 Mar 15, 2019 10:53 pm


Originally Posted by QTFLYER (Post 30889846)
I assume it was based on the fact that turboprop departures don't have any security measures in place. There are no xray scanners of baggage and no metal detectors to pass through. This is reserved for jet departures.

so why couldn't they just put turbo prop passengers through the same security as jet passengers ?

nzkarit Mar 15, 2019 11:18 pm


Originally Posted by OZFLYER86 (Post 30893012)
so why couldn't they just put turbo prop passengers through the same security as jet passengers ?

Because have to get people from the secure area to the gates/plane keeping them secure. Gate 15 I think can swing secure/not secure but rather of gates for Turbo Props can't do that

OZFLYER86 Mar 15, 2019 11:22 pm


Originally Posted by nzkarit (Post 30893045)
Because have to get people from the secure area to the gates/plane keeping them secure. Gate 15 I think can swing secure/not secure but rather of gates for Turbo Props can't do that

why not use a bus from jet gate to turbo prop ?

cavemanzk Mar 15, 2019 11:33 pm


Originally Posted by OZFLYER86 (Post 30893053)
why not use a bus from jet gate to turbo prop ?

Its more likely due to the lack of resources todo so e.g. the Jet screening already has limited staffing that barely covers the jet services at peak times.

Nathan Catton Mar 16, 2019 12:19 am

Apparently all domestic departing passengers (turboprop and jet) were being screened at CHC today.

Hector99 Mar 16, 2019 12:49 am

The area by koru express was sealed off. The dash to Wellington was via 15c and after security for the jets.
V quiet day there. No wait at screening at 540pm

Nathan Catton Mar 16, 2019 1:00 am


All regional flights would now be subject to passenger and baggage screening for at least the next 48 hours, the airline said in a written statement.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/ind...dSVxXPscEewWBo

sbiddle Mar 16, 2019 1:32 am


Originally Posted by Hector99 (Post 30893156)
The area by koru express was sealed off. The dash to Wellington was via 15c and after security for the jets.
V quiet day there. No wait at screening at 540pm

I thought pretty much 99% of CHC-WLG turboprop flights were from G15 now to allow easier access from the main Koru and make the overall experience a bit more jet like.

ukflyer1 Mar 17, 2019 3:15 am

I flew WLG-CHC on the last (AFAIK) ATR flight that left on Friday as things were unfolding. That and the previous ATR flight were not from G15 - and were not scheduled to be either (G19 and G10? - both land side of security). Both were delayed and without any announcements. Speaking to AirNZ staff - who all did a professional job - I sense things were very much an unknown at the airport. At one stage all flights to CHC were suspended - but they did not announce. Flexitime ticket could not move to earlier flight as extra seats being used by police. I tracked my incoming flight but did not have any certainty it would do the return leg to CHC until we were on the plane. JQ cancelled their only service to CHC (which is a jet and does have security).

Re luggage/screening - I suspected the issue was that on ATR services hand luggage is not screened, whereas on a jet it is.

kiwifrequentflyer Mar 17, 2019 12:20 pm

Just FYI. Came to CHC at 6:30am for my international flight and as I went up the escalators I was greeted to the most insane domestic security line in New Zealand of my life. It snaked around basically the whole of the upstairs food court. Now I see why they didn't screen turbo planes! They didn't have the resources for it at all!

If you have an early morning flight, come early. VERY early. I know that I would have underestimated if I hadn't seen it with my own eyes.

International terminal is just as chill as ever.

dgwills Mar 17, 2019 10:06 pm


Originally Posted by kiwifrequentflyer (Post 30897458)
Just FYI. Came to CHC at 6:30am for my international flight and as I went up the escalators I was greeted to the most insane domestic security line in New Zealand of my life. It snaked around basically the whole of the upstairs food court. Now I see why they didn't screen turbo planes! They didn't have the resources for it at all!

If you have an early morning flight, come early. VERY early. I know that I would have underestimated if I hadn't seen it with my own eyes.

International terminal is just as chill as ever.

I flew CHC to NSN at 6.45am today. When I got to security at 5.30am, I was 4th inline. So your experience may not be the norm.

kiwifrequentflyer Mar 18, 2019 3:58 am

Sure, I don't think that everyone expects airport security lines to be the same at every hour of every day.

oranjemakker Mar 20, 2019 7:06 pm

This morning at 815am they had all 3 lanes open for xray so its was pretty fast, about 10 minutes or less total

nzkarit Mar 20, 2019 7:14 pm

Are they still screening the turbo prop flights?
How are they regional area past security?

freemark Mar 20, 2019 7:50 pm

Flew WGTN-HAM via PNR yesterday (again!), no extra security anywhere.
My niece however came PER=AKL on Mon then AKL-Wgtn Tues & said it was insane in AKL. But she's Australian so perhaps that part of it.
Her and her mother (who came Weds) both on the ex SIA 772 and didn't much enjoy it.

sbiddle Mar 20, 2019 7:51 pm

Yes all regional flights are screened.

Nathan Catton Mar 20, 2019 8:09 pm


Originally Posted by freemark (Post 30911321)
Flew WGTN-HAM via PNR yesterday (again!), no extra security anywhere.

Only CHC at this stage.

oranjemakker Mar 20, 2019 8:40 pm


Originally Posted by sbiddle (Post 30911323)
Yes all regional flights are screened.

As mentioned below only in Christchurch at the moment. Hopefully this is temporary.

nzkarit Mar 20, 2019 10:10 pm

In Chc how are they keeping the regional gates post security?
Dropping them out at gate 15 and making pax walk airside from there?
Buses from secure gate to plane?
Or putting some temporary walls up to make a tunnel from G15 along corridor, down escalators etc? Tunnel the regional arrives under escalator so don't mix with regional departures?

oranjemakker Mar 20, 2019 10:16 pm


Originally Posted by nzkarit (Post 30911643)
In Chc how are they keeping the regional gates post security?

Or putting some temporary walls up to make a tunnel from G15 along corridor, down escalators etc? Tunnel the regional arrives under escalator so don't mix with regional departures?

Looked pretty much like this explained as above. One not so good upshot is koru lounge is packed with all regional departures

codyc1515 Mar 21, 2019 2:28 am

How are disabled passengers being accommodated for the regional flights? I don't believe that there is an elevator from the secure area into the regional area (for obvious reasons), so the only way would be via. the escalators or stairs.

hsv17011 Mar 21, 2019 3:25 am


Originally Posted by codyc1515 (Post 30912059)
How are disabled passengers being accommodated for the regional flights? I don't believe that there is an elevator from the secure area into the regional area (for obvious reasons), so the only way would be via. the escalators or stairs.

There's a lift inside gate 15 which goes down, wheelchair customers are then taken airside along to the other regional gates.

WLGNZ Mar 21, 2019 9:01 pm

Three lanes running at 4:00pm Friday at CHC security.
5 minutes from entry of the line to being in the packed lounge.

NZ_Flyer Mar 22, 2019 3:22 am


Originally Posted by freemark (Post 30911321)
Flew WGTN-HAM via PNR yesterday (again!), no extra security anywhere.
My niece however came PER=AKL on Mon then AKL-Wgtn Tues & said it was insane in AKL. But she's Australian so perhaps that part of it.
Her and her mother (who came Weds) both on the ex SIA 772 and didn't much enjoy it.

AKL Domestic has been insane for the last few months - maybe even before then. Lines back past NZ check-in is not uncommon for peak times.

cavemanzk Mar 22, 2019 3:02 pm


Originally Posted by NZ_Flyer (Post 30916102)


AKL Domestic has been insane for the last few months - maybe even before then. Lines back past NZ check-in is not uncommon for peak times.

Not looking forward till the day the domestic A321NEO’s arrive, AVSEC hardly did anything to cope with going from the 133 seat 733s to the 171 seat A320CEO.

Hector99 Mar 22, 2019 3:48 pm

AVSEC are recruiting like crazy atm.....

kiwifrequentflyer Mar 24, 2019 6:29 pm

1pm today - line at airport is snaked again. Came with lots of time which I don't regret at all!

codyc1515 Mar 24, 2019 11:23 pm

Any updated word on when this is meant to end? It has been 10 days since the OP. I thought this was only meant to be the case for 48 hours.

Nathan Catton Mar 24, 2019 11:30 pm


Originally Posted by codyc1515 (Post 30926094)
Any updated word on when this is meant to end? It has been 10 days since the OP. I thought this was only meant to be the case for 48 hours.

AT LEAST 48 hours was the initial reporting.

Kiwi Flyer Mar 26, 2019 12:03 am


Originally Posted by codyc1515 (Post 30926094)
Any updated word on when this is meant to end? It has been 10 days since the OP. I thought this was only meant to be the case for 48 hours.

Presumably will remain for as long as the terrorism threat level remains at high.

brenrox Mar 26, 2019 2:02 am

It just seems completely pointless to only be doing it at one airport though, if security is the actual reason. The only reason I can see why it would be still going is to make people feel "safe" travelling on regional flights.

codyc1515 Mar 30, 2019 12:20 am


Originally Posted by Kiwi Flyer (Post 30930236)
Presumably will remain for as long as the terrorism threat level remains at high.

But this has realistically nothing to do with it or they would be doing it at every airport. Even the original reporting said that there was no specific threat to aviation and that the move was to make passengers feel "more comfortable".

kiwifrequentflyer Mar 30, 2019 7:41 am

It is pointless if you think about it, but I don't really mind. I think it will be giving people a lot of peace of mind at this very hard time for our country.


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