Do FA's control alcohol consumption on flights?
Sep 27, 2018, 1:53 pm
#16
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Uber and/or Lyft were supposed to be rolling out a selectable "Quiet" option where the driver won't try and start up a stupid conversation about "your day" or the like, but I haven't seen it rolled out.
Sep 27, 2018, 11:02 pm
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Lemme guess- you're one of those folks who talks to your rideshare driver unsolicited too, huh?
Uber and/or Lyft were supposed to be rolling out a selectable "Quiet" option where the driver won't try and start up a stupid conversation about "your day" or the like, but I haven't seen it rolled out.
Uber and/or Lyft were supposed to be rolling out a selectable "Quiet" option where the driver won't try and start up a stupid conversation about "your day" or the like, but I haven't seen it rolled out.
But I think what you’re really asking is am I one of those annoying incessant chatterboxes who inflicts inane conversation onto others - and to that the answer is a definite no. I’m far more often in the situation of fending off other people’s inane chatter rather than encountering reluctant conversationalists.
Don’t get me wrong, there are plenty of times when I have zero desire to talk to other people, in which case I hope others will respect that as I would for them. But for those of you who are so militantly defending your right not to engage with the world around you, and almost wear that misanthropy as a badge of pride, my point is that you’re probably missing out on some enriching experiences. If you view travel and your fellow travellers as something to be endured and avoided respectively, then your experience will be shaped by that expectation. Is your latest email or Netflix series or podcast so incredibly urgent that you simply can’t afford a few minutes of human interaction?
OK, OK, I’ll get off my soapbox.
Sep 28, 2018, 2:00 pm
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you’re really asking is am I one of those annoying incessant chatterboxes
Sep 28, 2018, 3:35 pm
#19
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Issues such as this need to be raised to cabin crew on the spot. They are trained to deal with these situations and can, in the first instance, simply cut the drunk off. To be frank, if it's not worth reporting on the spot, it's not really that big a deal.
As to the assertion that the law is what the "commander" says it is, that is rubbish. It is a NZ aircraft departing the US. Both NZ and US laws as they relate to alcohol service will apply. NZ agreed to that in seeking landing rights in the US.
As to the assertion that the law is what the "commander" says it is, that is rubbish. It is a NZ aircraft departing the US. Both NZ and US laws as they relate to alcohol service will apply. NZ agreed to that in seeking landing rights in the US.
Sep 28, 2018, 5:30 pm
#20
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When in the air, the law that applies is that contained within the ICAO treaties. Liquor service is not among them, meaning the law is totally silent on the topic. In accordance with the Montreal Protocol 2014, however, it is unlawful to cause a disturbance on a plane and all ICAO member nations have ratified that. Australia took it one step further and just made it plain illegal to be intoxicated on an aircraft.
Oct 7, 2018, 3:06 am
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I'm truly upset that everyone here has missed the point and is victim blaming. It's not your fault this happened. The tone in which people are highlighting your politeness does NOT matter, this was not your fault and it frustrates me that those who have commented are blaming you for this persons drunken actions.
Anyway, the Sale of Liquor act will apply, it might just take a few e-mails and a bit of research to find if AirNZ have their Liquor License with Auckland Council or another authority to lay a complaint.
Anyway, the Sale of Liquor act will apply, it might just take a few e-mails and a bit of research to find if AirNZ have their Liquor License with Auckland Council or another authority to lay a complaint.
So I had an uncomfortable experience on my last flight with ANZ.
Like all of us that travel alone, I am always seated next to a stranger.
I am polite and make some small talk since I'll be next to this person for the next 10 1/2 hrs.
Flying LAX-LHR in PE. The conversation started out fine. We then put on our headphones and watched tv.
Then the drinks began flowing. One drink, then 2 then 3 and so on. For him, not me. Dinner and more drinks. By drink 8, he was clearly inebriated. He became very creepy.
He was trying to engage me in conversation and kept looking over at me. He would tap me on the shoulder to get my attention when I was clearly ignoring him. I was really uncomfortable and just sat with my arms folded and in the corner of my chair for the whole flight.
Luckily he passed out by the next drink.
Shouldn't the FA's be accountable for how many drinks they give passengers? He was clearly drunk, yet they kept serving him.
I was going to approach the FA and ask them not to serve him anymore but I don't know if I can even do that.
What would you have done in this instance?
Like all of us that travel alone, I am always seated next to a stranger.
I am polite and make some small talk since I'll be next to this person for the next 10 1/2 hrs.
Flying LAX-LHR in PE. The conversation started out fine. We then put on our headphones and watched tv.
Then the drinks began flowing. One drink, then 2 then 3 and so on. For him, not me. Dinner and more drinks. By drink 8, he was clearly inebriated. He became very creepy.
He was trying to engage me in conversation and kept looking over at me. He would tap me on the shoulder to get my attention when I was clearly ignoring him. I was really uncomfortable and just sat with my arms folded and in the corner of my chair for the whole flight.
Luckily he passed out by the next drink.
Shouldn't the FA's be accountable for how many drinks they give passengers? He was clearly drunk, yet they kept serving him.
I was going to approach the FA and ask them not to serve him anymore but I don't know if I can even do that.
What would you have done in this instance?
Oct 7, 2018, 3:45 am
#22
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I'm truly upset that everyone here has missed the point and is victim blaming. It's not your fault this happened. The tone in which people are highlighting your politeness does NOT matter, this was not your fault and it frustrates me that those who have commented are blaming you for this persons drunken actions.
Anyway, the Sale of Liquor act will apply, it might just take a few e-mails and a bit of research to find if AirNZ have their Liquor License with Auckland Council or another authority to lay a complaint.
Anyway, the Sale of Liquor act will apply, it might just take a few e-mails and a bit of research to find if AirNZ have their Liquor License with Auckland Council or another authority to lay a complaint.
Oct 7, 2018, 4:52 am
#23
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Oct 8, 2018, 4:40 pm
#24
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The Sale of Liquor act does not apply to international flights, as they are not in New Zealand. Air New Zealand have liquor licenses for all domestic craft (note entries for "Air New Zealand" and a Premises Address of "ZK-XXX", where XXX denotes the registration of a domestic craft), but no international craft. Yes, this does mean that if you get equipment swapped on a domestic route to an international craft, alcohol cannot be served.
Oct 8, 2018, 5:31 pm
#25
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Just looking at the Spreadsheet. Auckland has the Dom lounge and the Regional lounge, yet Wellington only has the one lounge listed.
Outside of the international lounges (which are a corner case) the Invercargill domestic lounge is the only lounge with a 24/7 license. May be AirNZ should register the domestic planes there so they aren't under the restrictive Auckland rules of 8am to midnight expect ZK-OAB which has it from 6.30am
Outside of the international lounges (which are a corner case) the Invercargill domestic lounge is the only lounge with a 24/7 license. May be AirNZ should register the domestic planes there so they aren't under the restrictive Auckland rules of 8am to midnight expect ZK-OAB which has it from 6.30am
Oct 8, 2018, 6:15 pm
#26
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I think the problem here is that while sitting next to them for hours enabled the OP to assess that the other pax was "clearly drunk" I wonder how that guy appeared to the FA's? Ive seen folks refused more drinks on NZ (so they clearly are not institutionally blasé about their RSA obligations) but if the guy was quiet and apparently OK how would the FA know there was an actual problem...without being told?