Originally Posted by NickB
(Post 32336678)
I would have thought that compulsory mask wearing would be a given anyway. The issue is whether it is enough and, if not, whether there are other sensible measures that can be taken (which the flexi-glass nonsense clearly is not).
In my view, there will be no any sensible measures that can be taken or applied to provide 100% guarantee besides developing the immunity to the virus (and it's different strain) by whatever method. Others will just be either giving a false sense of security or based on luck.... Cheers! |
Originally Posted by nldogbert
(Post 32336873)
I don't see IAG group or AF/KLM stating this
In my view, there will be no any sensible measures that can be taken or applied to provide 100% guarantee besides developing the immunity to the virus |
Originally Posted by nldogbert
(Post 32336873)
As far as I have seen till now, within the EU airlines, it seems only Lufthansa group has made it now compulsory (forgoing the leaving the middle seat free), I don't see IAG group or AF/KLM stating this - so to me this ia not a clear way to move forward. I am sure that there are lots of travellers will not see it this way as seen with the differences in approach within the different EU countries.
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i think it's surgical masks that have a short shelf life, not the fabric types
(I also suspect -- but don't actually know this -- the 4 hr recommandation is with the expectation of a working medical personnel using it, where they are walking about, being active etc. Sitting in your seat and therefore breathing at a more relaxed pace, it would seem logical that the mask can last a bit longer. But again, I'm speaking out of turn here, I don't actually know this) |
While I am sure there will be political pressure to come up with these schemes to control virus transmission on airplanes, and trains and buses as well, I think it is a serious waste of time. Vulnerable people will simply not engage in public transport .The rest of us won't be bothered much if we catch this virus, as has been proven. And all of us who go back out into the world will get COVID sooner or later anyways. We can and will be forced to wear masks as that costs governments and airline companies nothing. But I predict all these other schemes will fade away, if they ever get implemented.
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Originally Posted by stimpy
(Post 32337557)
While I am sure there will be political pressure to come up with these schemes to control virus transmission on airplanes, and trains and buses as well, I think it is a serious waste of time. Vulnerable people will simply not engage in public transport .The rest of us won't be bothered much if we catch this virus, as has been proven. And all of us who go back out into the world will get COVID sooner or later anyways. We can and will be forced to wear masks as that costs governments and airline companies nothing. But I predict all these other schemes will fade away, if they ever get implemented.
Consider the security controls at airports; the 100ML liquids rule; 80-year-olds being randomly screened for explosives. None of those rituals are going to go away because they make people feel safe, even if the actual utliity of all the "security theater" is debatable. I think the same will happen with Covid-19: by the time a vaccine is eventually deployed (could take a long time), people like the idea of a health check to be sure that there is a low chance of somebody sick sitting beside them. |
Originally Posted by HalconBCN
(Post 32338152)
When a new ritual gets introduced it is hard to get rid of it.
Consider the security controls at airports; the 100ML liquids rule; 80-year-olds being randomly screened for explosives. None of those rituals are going to go away because they make people feel safe, even if the actual utliity of all the "security theater" is debatable. I think the same will happen with Covid-19: by the time a vaccine is eventually deployed (could take a long time), people like the idea of a health check to be sure that there is a low chance of somebody sick sitting beside them. |
Originally Posted by stimpy
(Post 32338191)
OK, but I will counter that argument with mobile telephones. Previously people were afraid of them on airplanes and they were tightly restricted. Until the age of always-on. Once airlines and regulators realized that there were at least a hundred telephones left turned on and transmitting on airplanes and it really didn't matter, no one cared anymore. Competition among the airlines also helped in that once one airline had WiFi, they all wanted WiFi. So in other words, if there is a good enough reason to get rid of a stupid rule, or ignore the rule, it will eventually disappear. There are not yet enough reasons to change the 100ML liquid rule even though it doesn't apply to baby's milk, prescription medicine and now hand sanitizer.
I guess it will depend on the perceived danger of other infections in the post-covid world, which is difficult to predict at this stage :D |
Originally Posted by HalconBCN
(Post 32340394)
That's true.
I guess it will depend on the perceived danger of other infections in the post-covid world, which is difficult to predict at this stage :D These days with the Internet and social media, we have both fear mongering, and more non-experts perusing the scholarly studies of virus experts. And the Fascists are having a field day, telling us how we must behave whether it is scientifically correct or not. I think that fear will again beat the experts but we can hope that business people and bottom line economic concerns will push things back towards normal. |
Originally Posted by HalconBCN
(Post 32335675)
I agree. Adding plastic shields around economy class seats is pie-in-the-sky stuff. Seats are going to stay the way they are.
I don't know what it is about air travel, but these "plastic hoods" only seem to have been dreamed up/proposed for aircraft. I have seen no similar porposals for trains, buses or any other form of public transport, in which people are traditionally packed in more closely and which are likely a greater infection risk. It's also far more likely that public transport will be "crowded" far faster than aircraft will be. |
Originally Posted by nldogbert
(Post 32336873)
As far as I have seen till now, within the EU airlines, it seems only Lufthansa group has made it now compulsory (forgoing the leaving the middle seat free), I don't see IAG group or AF/KLM stating this - so to me this ia not a clear way to move forward.
Or for airlines with a dedicated on-board cleaner.... Or for any of the new pieces of theatre that will be dreamed up to allay customers' fears. And, as others have said, this is something that is unlikely to be left up to each individual airline to decide for themselves. |
BA is announcing 12,000 redundancies.
LH Group talks about 10,000 over-staffing and 100 aircraft in the New Normal (post crisis) Any news from AFKL? The French economy cannot stay under respirator, with employment subsidized by the state, for months and months. |
Originally Posted by brunos
(Post 32340514)
BA is announcing 12,000 redundancies.
LH Group talks about 10,000 over-staffing and 100 aircraft in the New Normal (post crisis) Any news from AFKL? The French economy cannot stay under respirator, with employment subsidized by the state, for months and months. |
Thanks.
Is there any mention of how many voluntary exit are considered? |
Originally Posted by stimpy
(Post 32337557)
While I am sure there will be political pressure to come up with these schemes to control virus transmission on airplanes, and trains and buses as well, I think it is a serious waste of time. Vulnerable people will simply not engage in public transport .The rest of us won't be bothered much if we catch this virus, as has been proven.
Of course, you won't and that is precisely where the problem is, isn't it? And unless you are ready to sacrifice a good chunk of a generation merely on the ground that, well, they are old so not contributing anything to the economy so it does not really matter, that is a reality that has to be faced. |
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