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Old Nov 6, 2017, 3:33 am
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Introduction

As you have been following the past thread, the Flying Blue programme will change as of 1 April 2018. In order to split the discussion from the earlier thread, we have created a new thread.

On 6 November Flying Blue has organised a press conference to inform the public about the changes to the programme. In addition, a mailing will be sent out to all members on the 6th and 7th of November and more information can be found on the designated website (link: https://explorefurther.flyingblue.com).

As an introduction, please find a summary of the changes below.

Please note that at the current time there is no difference expected to the benefits of the current tier.

Change 1: no more level miles, no more segments, but Experience Points

As of 1 April 2018 you will no longer earn level miles and segments per flight, but you will earn Experience Points (XP). The number of XP earned per flight depends on your cabin (multiplier times 2 for Premium Economy, 3 for business, 5 for La Premiere) and the type of flight (distinction between domestic, medium haul, long-haul 1/2/3).

For flights between 1 January – 31 March 2018 all earned level miles and segments will be converted into XP (1 segment = 7 XP; 1,000 level miles = 5 XP for members outside France). Please note that the highest conversion applies (it is not cumulative).

The number of XP required per tiers is:
- 100 for Silver;
- 180 for Gold;
- 300 for Platinum;
- 1,800 for Platinum Ultimate (in 2 years).

Please note that for current flyers who qualify on segments based on only intra-EU flights this could see an increase in the number of flights required. However, if you fly a mix if intra-EU and intercontinental (but qualify on segments), this will most likely see a reduction in the number of flights required to qualify.
For elite members, there is a roll-over of all XP above your tier threshold.

The rules for soft-landing have been extended. It is now no longer required to make at least 1 qualifying flight and in case you do not meet your threshold you will only drop one tier.

Change 2: number of miles earned dependent on fare paid (including fuel surcharge)

The number of award miles (for AF/KL/A5) earned is now depending on the fare paid (including fuel surcharge). Ivory members earn 4 miles per Euro, Silver 6, Gold 7 and Platinum 8.

Also earn award miles on AF/KL purchases (relating to seats, baggage and meals) according to the above schedule.

Earnings on partners remains as-is (based on fare class and distance flown).

Change 3: dynamic pricing of award tickets (on AF/KL/HV)

Another change will be that award tickets will have dynamic pricing, e.g. an award AMS-JFK could be more expensive than an award DUS-AMS-JFK. This is also in line with change 2, as flights from AMS are also more expensive than flights from DUS (you also earn more miles).

This also implies that we will see a difference in the number of miles required per flight. For example, an award from continental Europe to continental USA will currently set you back 25,000 miles for a one-way in economy. It does not matter if you fly to LAX or NYC, the number of miles is currently fixed. Under the new proposition, this will change. The cheaper flight (in this example: NYC) will see a slight reduction in the number of miles required, whilst LAX will see a slight increase in the number of miles required.

Furthermore, there will be a standard base level for the number of miles required per destination. As the standard revenue price increases, so does the number of award miles.

Change 4: status valid for 12 months (+ 3 months), personal membership year

FB will be moving away from membership year = calendar year (in case of upgrade of tier). Instead, FB will have an individual membership year. This means that after obtaining the higher tier, you will have 12 months to requalify. Benefit of this is that members are not bound by the calendar year (e.g. members who earn 20,000 level miles in a December of a given year and 20,000 level miles in January of the next year, do not have any benefit of their flights in case limited flights before/after).

I know some will feel that this is a significant downgrade compared to the current – at maximum – 27 months. Please note that based on FB information the majority of members (re)qualify in the last quarter of the year.

In addition, please note that for an Ivory member would like to go obtain Platinum in one year, as it will become more difficult, as (s)he will have to earn each threshold (so not 300 XP in the first year, but (100 + 180 + 300 = 580 XP). This is only applicable in the first year.

Change 5: changes to the co-branded American Express credit cards (FR/NL)

Currently you earn segments and level miles (on AF/KL purchases for Gold and Platinum card holders). This will change that you will receive additional XP when reaching your membership anniversary each year.
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Old Jul 25, 2018, 12:13 pm
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Originally Posted by siw
Which is the best SkyTeam FFP for earning redeemable Miles/Points?
If there are any good ones left, I don't know.

I have been burning my FB and AZ balances, not adding to them.
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Old Jul 25, 2018, 12:44 pm
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Originally Posted by fifty_two
yes its back ! finally they fixed it
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Still not back in the app...maybe needs and update in the coming days
Gone again
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Old Jul 25, 2018, 2:56 pm
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Originally Posted by glennhaak
Gone again
Now I can't even log in to redeem miles section on KLM... AF works but no calendar... What a mess..
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Old Jul 25, 2018, 4:33 pm
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Originally Posted by skyhighlander
Now I can't even log in to redeem miles section on KLM... AF works but no calendar... What a mess..
KLM site works for me (no calendar)
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Old Jul 26, 2018, 5:03 am
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..and now it has the calendar again as well:

http://upload.xandrios.net/1532602935_mas_nyc.PNG
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Old Jul 26, 2018, 6:58 am
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On AF site too, so use it while you can :
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Old Jul 30, 2018, 9:38 am
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Yep calendar seems back. Must be the harsh feedback I gave last week when they asked my opinion about the site in that survey... ;-)
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Old Jul 30, 2018, 12:47 pm
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But you know, that calendar doesn’t take account of special offers such as promo awards. I was looking at a Dubai itinerary and the calendar was showing 23,000 miles one way. Clicking on various dates revealed options for 11,000 miles, probably because of the current promo offer.
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Old Jul 30, 2018, 8:14 pm
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Originally Posted by Concerto
But you know, that calendar doesn’t take account of special offers such as promo awards. I was looking at a Dubai itinerary and the calendar was showing 23,000 miles one way. Clicking on various dates revealed options for 11,000 miles, probably because of the current promo offer.
The calendar used to show the actual lowest cost, including promo-awards, didn't it?
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Old Jul 31, 2018, 9:07 am
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It did ... I think ... but it certainly doesn’t any more. Which means that if you go further you might get a nice surprise and see lower miles prices.
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Old Aug 7, 2018, 4:43 am
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Not sure if this questioned has already been asked so apologies if it has. I am a platinum currently sitting with 490 XP's and before year end it will be up to approx 700 so I have no issues.

However, my good lady is currently Gold with her year ending approx end of June 2019. By that time she will be approx 290 XP's. We could easily squeeze in an additional flight for her to go to Platinum but for her next year she will never be able to get another 300 XP's to keep her at that level. So, is it worthwhile for her to get over the platinum amount of 300 or keep at Gold with a load of additional points (110 approx) sitting in her account which would probably keep her at gold for the following year?

What would happen to her points if she had a "soft landing" from Platinum to Gold sitting her account?
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Old Aug 7, 2018, 5:14 am
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If she will be at 290, then she will have 110 left after 180XP will be deducted to keep her gold status.
Keep in mind that if she does reach Platinum, then Gold the year thereafter is guaranteed as long as she takes just one flight, 180XP (or all if she will have less) will be deducted at that point.
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Old Aug 7, 2018, 5:26 am
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Originally Posted by Billyfergus
Not sure if this questioned has already been asked so apologies if it has. I am a platinum currently sitting with 490 XP's and before year end it will be up to approx 700 so I have no issues.

However, my good lady is currently Gold with her year ending approx end of June 2019. By that time she will be approx 290 XP's. We could easily squeeze in an additional flight for her to go to Platinum but for her next year she will never be able to get another 300 XP's to keep her at that level. So, is it worthwhile for her to get over the platinum amount of 300 or keep at Gold with a load of additional points (110 approx) sitting in her account which would probably keep her at gold for the following year?

What would happen to her points if she had a "soft landing" from Platinum to Gold sitting her account?
When she would be qualifying for Platinum on 31st 2018, she’ll be guaranteed Gold in whole 2020 so I think it’ll be the best to go for Platinum.
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Old Aug 7, 2018, 5:26 am
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Originally Posted by Billyfergus
Not sure if this questioned has already been asked so apologies if it has. I am a platinum currently sitting with 490 XP's and before year end it will be up to approx 700 so I have no issues.

However, my good lady is currently Gold with her year ending approx end of June 2019. By that time she will be approx 290 XP's. We could easily squeeze in an additional flight for her to go to Platinum but for her next year she will never be able to get another 300 XP's to keep her at that level. So, is it worthwhile for her to get over the platinum amount of 300 or keep at Gold with a load of additional points (110 approx) sitting in her account which would probably keep her at gold for the following year?
Status-wise the choices are as follows:
- Either she stops short of 300 XP, stays gold next year (180XP deducted) and makes up the remaining 70 XP to get gold the next year, or
- She stops short of 300 XP, stays gold next year (180XP deducted), doesn't fly enough to make gold again and instead becomes silver with whatever exceeded the 100XP as rollover
- She becomes platinum, and regardless of her flying patterns the next year (assuming not enough to stay plat), becomes gold the next year.

So IMO, in terms of keeping status, going for Plat is the recommended option.

What would happen to her points if she had a "soft landing" from Platinum to Gold sitting her account?
Upon soft landing the XP required for the level you landed in are deducted from your account. E.g., you are platinum and didn't reach 300XP, then 180XP is deducted as if you had reached gold. Exception: if you drop from silver your XP balance is set to 0.
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Old Aug 7, 2018, 6:31 am
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I would definitely go for platinum. Not only will it make future requalification easier, it will theoretically move her up the pecking order for upgrades etc.
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