AF B787-900 Dreamliner configuration revealed
 

Some details have leaked today about the AF Dreamliners 789 config : no P, 30J in 1-2-1 config (so at least they will not put the NEV4 on those new birds :rolleyes:), 21W and 225Y. Total 276 seats
http://tylerbirth.boardingarea.com/e...-9-air-france/

The J config looks identical to KL 787.
SO probably Cirrus too.

When is the first delivery and how many 787 are ordered?

Thanks AF for caring for your Y passengers :mad:


Brunos, I heard the 1st 787 will enter the fleet next November

Zodiac Aerospace is struggling to deliver seats right now, so it might be a similar configuration with a different seat manufacturer.

A new hell-liner for Y pax.
9 abreast and 31'' it's going to be a joy to fly on those...

Unfortunately 9 abreast and 31 seems the norm on 787.

Absolutely. To my knowledge, the only exception are JL but everyone else seems to be going for 3x3x3

Boeing has been able to squeeze one more seat abreast on its 777 and 787 making it less comfortable for the pax compared to A330 or A350. But that is a benefit for the airline.

Airbus had launched a big advertising campaign stressing the fact.
A350 cabin is wider than B787 cabin (5.6m compared to 5.4m), so it is natural to fit 9 abreast on A350 with a seat width of 18" compared to 17" on dreamliner which was initially marketed with a 8 abreast config in Y.

But the A350 is narrower than the 777 which still has a 9-abreast config on many airlines (SQ KE BA LY DL TG VN OZ UA CA CX JL, TK ...)

Indeed, the 777 cabin width is about 5.89m compared to 5.6 for A350
When first introduced in 1995, 777 had a 9-abreast recommended config. EK, AF, EY and AA started directly with the unpleasant 10-abreast. Several airlines start taking new deliveries in 10-abreast or retrofitting their existing ac. These include UA, QR, AC, BR,... Even CX is considering.
The 9-abreast 777 is clearly more comfy than the 9-abreast A350, but the 10-abreast 777 or 9-abreast 787 are worse.
But please note that the A350 already has orders for 10-abreast (air Asia, Air Caraibes) and there are 9-abreast A330 . Both very unpleasant.

No, AF and AA didn't start directly with 10-abreast.
AF 772s remained for a long time (10 years at least) with the 3-3-3 config. The first 77Ws they received were also in the 3-3-3 config.
AA 772s were delivered with the 2-5-2 config, while their 77Ws were directly delivered either the 10 abreast config

Correct.

eh, eh, my history of AF 777s is faulty. Thanks for correcting.
Actually, my memory is hit by old age. I now remember how AF aggressively promoted their new 10-abreast more-comfy seats as an enhancement. Some posters even sided with AF.

I wonder which major airline was the precursor in adopting the 10-abreast config on 777.

Not surprised by the lack of P seats.

It's going to be a long walk back from the W seats to the nearest lavs...

BA or EK?
BA configured some of their "Leisure" 772s with 10 abreast but passengers were so angry that BA switched back to 9 abreast on all of their 777s