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Routes that do not have fuel surcharges (YQ) when operated by carriers that normally charge YQ:

1. USA-Germany-Other country. If only the Germany-other country segment is on LH it does not have YQ. E.g. DFW-FRA-BLR with TATL on UA and FRA-BLR on LH.
2. USA-Canada-Other country. The USA-Canada segment on AC does not have YQ if the Canada-Other country segment is operated by a carrier that does not charge YQ. E.g. DFW-YYZ-ADD.

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Oct 18, 2014, 9:42 am

#1891

rankourabu

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Location: Canada

Programs: UA*1K MM SK EBG LATAM BL

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Quote:

Originally Posted by netcbc

I did call Aeroplan to discuss but they just repeatedly said they can't breakdown the YQ and it's correct since the system calculated it, I asked to be transfer to a manager but was on hold for so long I hung up as I needed to be somewhere else. I'll call back but I know it's going to be a huge uphill battle, if they don't credit me then I'll probably ask them to rebook the seat or a different return segment and see what the YQ comes out to.

Your route YYZ-LHR-IST-MLE-SIN-HKG is within the MPM for YYZ-HKG. Ask for HKG to be made the destination and the trip recalculated. See what happens.

Oct 18, 2014, 9:48 am

#1892

crimsona

Join Date: Jan 2011

Location: YVR to SEA

Posts: 2,535

Point of turnaround is the point furthest from origin, it shouldn't be something you declare to be whatever you want.

Change your HKG-PEK-YYZ to HKG-TPE-YYZ when Eva air opens up and be done with it and get $450 back.

Oct 18, 2014, 9:57 am

#1893

superangrypenguin

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Location: YYZ

Programs: AC E50K (*G) WS Gold | SPG/Fairmont Plat Hilton/Hyatt Diamond Marriott Silver | National Exec Elite

Posts: 19,284

How far in advance if BR opening up now? Exactly 3 months?

Oct 18, 2014, 10:31 am

#1894

netcbc

Join Date: May 2011

Posts: 53

Quote:

Originally Posted by crimsona

Yeah good point, was thinking to do this. I'll take the hit on itin fee change but overall will be ahead.
Just did a few test searches over the next 3 months, no availability from TPE-YYZ for some reason, maybe cause it's high season EVA closed off those seats.

Oct 21, 2014, 6:30 am

#1895

Kanataboy

Join Date: Feb 2012

Location: YOW

Programs: AC E

Posts: 67

TATL Summer 2015

For the spouse and myself

YOW - IAD UA
IAD - BRU SN
BRU - NCE SN stop 1 week
NCE - ZRH LX turn 2 weeks
ZRH - GVA LX
GVA - EWR UA
EWR - YOW UA

All good connections except for at IAD - a bit long at 10 hours.
60,000 points and $231

For the kids essentially the same but week later departing and no Nice

YOW - IAD UA
IAD - BRU SN
BRU - ZRH LX turn 2 weeks
ZRH - GVA LX
GVA - EWR UA
EWR - YOW UA

60,000 points and $197

Schedules and the need to visit family restricted the ability to do more stops

Figure I saved $4,000 or a bit more (and avoided Rouge to NCE) for 240,000 miles so $0.167 per mile
I know not great value (compared to business class) but not too bad either

Oct 25, 2014, 10:18 am

#1896

penbrook

Join Date: Apr 2010

Posts: 58

YYZ-IST TK Stop
IST-SIN SQ
SIN-DPS SQ Stop
DPS-ICN OZ
ICN-LAX OZ A380
LAX-YVR AC Rouge Stop
YVR-YYZ AC 788

1 pax all in J 155,000 AP + $360.16

Oct 25, 2014, 9:52 pm

#1897

cityexpressytz

Join Date: Feb 2013

Location: YYZ

Posts: 23

Booked for two Y tickets to KUL in Feb for lunar new year:

YYZ-JFK AC
JFK-GVA LX 8 hrs
GVA-AGP LX Stop
AGP-IST TK
IST-KUL TK POT
KUL-SIN SQ Stop
SIN-HND SQ 9 hrs
HND-SFO UA
SFO-YVR UA 24 hrs
YVR-YYZ AC

Nav Canada - Air Navigation Services $30.00
Canada Domestic/International Air Travel Security Charge $25.91
Canada Domestic/International Airport Improvement Fee $25.00
Canada Harmonized Sales Tax $3.25
OG $0.80
Japan Passenger Facilities Charge $27.00
Malasian Passenger Service & Security Charge $22.10
Singapore Passenger Service Charge $17.80
Singapore Passenger Security Service Charge $7.20
Singapore Aviation Levy $5.50
Spain Departure Charge $15.30
Spanish Security Tax $5.50
Swiss Passenger Security and Noise Charge $20.80
Turkey International Airport Service Charge $7.30
U.S.A Immigration User Fee $15.80
U.S. Passenger Safety Fee $12.60
U.S. Customs User Fee $12.40
U.S Agriculture Fee $11.20
U.S Passenger Facility Charge $5.10

No YQ! Total $270.56 and 90,000 miles each

Oct 26, 2014, 8:43 am

#1898

krayZpaving

Join Date: Sep 2008

Location: YVR

Programs: AC*SE-MM, BA Bronze, Marriott Titanium & lifetime Plat

Posts: 1,820

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kanataboy

All good connections except for at IAD - a bit long at 10 hours.

10 hours is more than enough time to head into DC and see some of the sites. To keep costs down, you can take the "Flyer" to Falls Church Metro and then catch the train into the city.

Oct 28, 2014, 10:08 pm

#1899

tryinginvain

Join Date: Mar 2010

Location: PVR

Programs: Aeroplan, Alaska Airlines

Posts: 420

Booked today for next summer. I wanted to lock in something before the changes tomorrow, though I wish I'd had more time to search for flights. I know I couldn't have done better in terms of cost but I might have routed a bit differently.

YOW-YUL AC Y
YUL-IST TK J
IST-BKK TK J (dest)
BKK-IST TK J (stop)
IST-YUL TK J
YUL-YOW AC Y

Canada Domestic/International Air Travel Security Charge $25.91
Canada Harmonized Sales Tax $2.99
Canada Domestic/International Airport Improvement Fee $23.00
Turkey International Airport Service Charge $23.60
Thailand Domestic Passenger Service $23.90
Nav Canada - Air Navigation Services $30.00
Total per passenger $129.40

150K Aeroplan points and $163.30 ($129.40 + $33.90)

Last edited by tryinginvain; Oct 28, 2014 at 10:16 pm Reason: added breakdown for taxes/fees

Oct 29, 2014, 1:26 am

#1900

FlyerTalker683455

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Quote:

Originally Posted by tryinginvain

Even here I am usually loyal to AC (well, using their IkK or what's left of it) and end up paying over $1200 in charges.

I'll take you for a beer in Bangkok tho...

Oct 29, 2014, 11:44 am

#1901

Raffles longhaul

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Join Date: Mar 2008

Programs: AP, UA, AA

Posts: 709

Just priced this out but not booking it .

AC-YYZ -LON
TG-LON-BKK-PERTH - STOP
TG-PERTH-BKK-BOM-DEL - STOP BOM-DEL IS ON Air India
LH-DEL-MUC-PARIS
AC-PARIS-YYZ

Total Taxes and Fees ONLY $2013.26
YQ is $1702.00
160000 miles for Biz class

Oct 29, 2014, 11:47 am

#1902

crimsona

Join Date: Jan 2011

Location: YVR to SEA

Posts: 2,535

Super Elites will no longer pay YQ on AC metal in 2015, so that's going to screw up a lot of valuations - it'll open up space for non SEs though!

Oct 29, 2014, 2:10 pm

#1903

rankourabu

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Raffles longhaul

This is new and worrysome. If they start charging YQ by adding up each segment instead of by entire route like before.

Oct 29, 2014, 2:12 pm

#1904

yerffej201

Join Date: Nov 2011

Posts: 6,385

Quote:

Originally Posted by rankourabu

This is new and worrysome. If they start charging YQ by adding up each segment instead of by entire route like before.

Weren't they always doing that?
It's like 450 + 450 for 2x AC TATL, and probably ~400 each way on thai/lh. sounds right to me.

Oct 29, 2014, 2:15 pm

#1905

rankourabu

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Quote:

Originally Posted by yerffej201

Weren't they always doing that?
It's like 450 + 450 for 2x AC TATL, and probably ~400 each way on thai/lh. sounds right to me.

No?

If you booked YYZ-FRA-HKG they would charge the total route YYZ-HKG YQ ($250ish) - not add up YYZ-FRA + FRA-HKG

Similarly if you booked YYZ-HKG-AKL on AC/NZ - they would charge you $450 for YYZ-AKL vs $250 for YYZ-HKG + $0 for NZ HKG-AKL