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Originally Posted by EdmFlyBoi
(Post 35620239)
I would guess they have already selected the seat, at least for the XLR, based on supply chains.
TP sees to have a 2-1, 1-2 staggered arrangement on their LRs. |
Originally Posted by Stranger
(Post 35620511)
Can the XLR be fitted with the same seats as the widebodies though?
TP sees to have a 2-1, 1-2 staggered arrangement on their LRs. |
storage. lots of storage. Think minivan. Cup holders whewe you can keep yr drink so it doesnt spill/
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Originally Posted by karachi
(Post 35620612)
Cup holders whewe you can keep yr drink so it doesnt spill/
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Originally Posted by Stranger
(Post 35620511)
Can the XLR be fitted with the same seats as the widebodies though?
TP sees to have a 2-1, 1-2 staggered arrangement on their LRs. |
What seats does Air NZ use? They seem to be 'revolutionary' in their ideas sometimes.
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Originally Posted by EdmFlyBoi
(Post 35619345)
The challenge is a seat that works on multiple aircraft widths without having to install different seats. The Q Suite is only available on the A350 and 777. It doesn't fit on the 787 so QR has gone with a different seat for the 787 (even different from the original 787 seat). ANA is the same - The Room likely wouldn't fit on the 787 without significant changes to the seat. UA's seat, which is also LY's seat, is able to fit on multiple aircraft widths. UA's possible design for the XLR is very dense in a herringbone configuration. UA's XLR's will definitely be more premium then AC's (UA's aircraft are going to have PY) and I would think AC is going to select something that is pretty dense.
Runway Girl posted the following which gives some insight into the evolution of the Super Diamond and Elements seats: https://runwaygirlnetwork.com/2021/0...-seats-evolve/ The Elements seat was selected by Starlux for their J cabin and it is a pretty nice update to the Super Diamond. The challenge is always having a level of product consistency across the fleet. QR has many different seat types which is somewhat unappealing when booking as you may be surprised by a product that doesn't hold up against the Q suite. I'd wager that AC looks to Rockwell Collins for an update to the present seat that hopefully includes wireless charging and some modifications that change the position of the table (as some posters have referenced). It will inevitably have a door (I would think). It would certainly be nice if they asked some of the SE's to come and try out the new products, but that seems unlikely (though AC has done that is the past). |
Originally Posted by EdmFlyBoi
(Post 35743833)
Curious if they could get 32 in between doors 1 and 2 on the 777 fleet?
Also anyone remember how many J seats Fin 743-747 used to have? I recall it's more than 32. |
Originally Posted by songsc
(Post 35744565)
I hope not! That would not be a good change. Though I think it's possible as it's only one more row to be added.
Also anyone remember how many J seats Fin 743-747 used to have? I recall it's more than 32. |
New 787 J Product?
About a year ago, there was an article where Mark Nasr stated they were working on a new J product.
“We’re working on the future of our wide-body product, because we're going to have to start retrofitting aircraft (soon),” Mark Nasr, Air Canada’s Executive Vice President Marketing and Digital, tells Executive Traveller. “We took delivery of our first 787s nearly 10 years ago, so in the not-too-distant future they’ll be due for heavy maintenance and a retrofit…so that provides us the opportunity, whether it's on those aircraft or potentially at some point on new wide-bodies, to introduce a new long-haul product as well.” |
Originally Posted by ctf12
(Post 36092935)
About a year ago, there was an article where Mark Nasr stated they were working on a new J product.
Well, it appears C-GHPT was ferried to HKG 7 days ago, to what one could suspect to be the alluded too 787 heavy check (its been 10 years less 2 months since it was delivered). Wondering if we will possibly see it come out with the new J product, or if they will wait for the 787-10's. Now would be the time... |
Originally Posted by Adam Smith
(Post 36093155)
Given the lead time on seats these days, I would bet heavily against the new product being ready for installation now. I suspect we'll see it first on a 781 or XLR before any refits. AC has shown, with the XM seats, that it can and is willing to keep things in service long past their original design life. The priority will likely be making sure they have the seats ready to go into the new aircraft as those roll off the assembly line before retrofitting any of the existing frames.
Regardless, it would seem to be a pretty big missed opportunity for AC not to introduce any planned cabin revision at that time. Unless they are willing to push out cabin retrofits by another 10-12 years, it would mean adding what I imagine is a pretty substantial labour cost to the lifetime ownership pricetag of these birds. Whatever the timeline, I'm still hoping that AC gets ambitious with its next premium cabin. |
Originally Posted by Deathray
(Post 36094204)
Whatever the timeline, I'm still hoping that AC gets ambitious with its next premium cabin.
Just look at Asian airlines that have different "intra-Asia" and "long-haul" configs on the same type. I think it's exceptionally unlikely we'll see anything approaching "ambitious". But I'd love to be wrong. |
Originally Posted by Deathray
(Post 36094204)
Whatever the timeline, I'm still hoping that AC gets ambitious with its next premium cabin.
I'll take a little more space when in sleep mode, better storage, and bluetooth (although my BT works just fine). Hopefully the designers will will eliminate the nooks and crannies which accumulate dirt that AC can't seem to clean. Just give me a fresh interior in better shape than a 69 'Cuda. https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.fly...b3edc4f1a5.jpg 788 seatbelt https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.fly...5ea1e82eb7.jpg 777 |
There hasn't been any major breakthrough in business class design beside a few niche products (ANA and Q-Suite). I don't think we will see any major improvement for the next gen products.
The super diamond is pretty optimal when it comes to balancing density vs comfort. AC went with the Vantage seats on their HD 77W initially, it was universally disliked and it didn't last too long until they got refitted. I suspect the so called next gen J cabin on the 787-10 is going to be base around the same product with minor improvements. The low hanging fruits are door and better IFE, shoulder strap instead of airbag seatbelt. |
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