Why did they put such a nice A321 on Rouge?
Jan 31, 2019, 9:53 am
#16
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Refurbishing a cabin, be it to ML or Rouge specs is not cheap, fast, or trivial. They are only going to want to do it once.
Jan 31, 2019, 9:59 am
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Careful...note the 'Delivered' dates in the graphs refer to when the airplane was delivered to Air Canada, not delivered new from the factory. Fin #474 , listed as delivered in Jan 2018 is a seven year old ex-Air Berlin airplane.
Jan 31, 2019, 10:13 am
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Jan 31, 2019, 10:19 am
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Careful...note the 'Delivered' dates in the graphs refer to when the airplane was delivered to Air Canada, not delivered new from the factory. Fin #474 , listed as delivered in Jan 2018 is a seven year old ex-Air Berlin airplane.
Jan 31, 2019, 11:52 am
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Sure, there are some old birds in the mainline fleet The original A320 from 1990 is still flying. But somehow ACr makes the old mainline planes worse. The mainline 767s seem home-y. The same interior since they were XMed in the mid-2000s, I've been flying TATLs on them for most of my career. ACr managed to keep the worst of the mainline 767s (the bins, panels) and throw away the best (the seats) and generally are crapping on my 767 nostalgia. Fortunately AC will pull the mainline 767s from YOW with their dying breath, so I can keep it going for another year or more.
Jan 31, 2019, 12:19 pm
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https://www.airfleets.net/flottecie/...ctive-a321.htm
Click on the MSN to see the aircraft's history, including the original delivery date and some other details. It was interesting to be reminded that AC is still using a mixed 763 fleet.
Click on the MSN to see the aircraft's history, including the original delivery date and some other details. It was interesting to be reminded that AC is still using a mixed 763 fleet.
Jan 31, 2019, 2:41 pm
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https://www.airfleets.net/flottecie/...ctive-a321.htm
Click on the MSN to see the aircraft's history, including the original delivery date and some other details. It was interesting to be reminded that AC is still using a mixed 763 fleet.
Click on the MSN to see the aircraft's history, including the original delivery date and some other details. It was interesting to be reminded that AC is still using a mixed 763 fleet.
Feb 1, 2019, 9:10 am
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If only AC Rouge hadn't been created in the first place! Terrible product. Airlines are using all these different marketing tactics in order to target customers who do not want to pay for a mainline flight. AC Rouge, WJ Swoop, etc.
Feb 1, 2019, 10:08 am
#26
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Perhaps the customers should be the ones to blame, no?
Feb 1, 2019, 10:51 am
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In all honesty, it is only us FTers that are whining about Rouge so much (for the most part). Most other people are happy to accept the cheaper fare for a lower quality of service. Yet they fail to realize that the fares are almost the same price regardless of whether or not it is Rouge or mainline!
Feb 1, 2019, 11:34 am
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Or line maintenance had to repair/replace something so they went to their inventory and that was all that was sitting around. Its not like AC maintains a separate stock of parts for 'new' builds vs old unless the parts are truly incompatible for reasons other than cosmetics. And if the old 1989/1990 build A320s are going to scrap in the next few years, anything that they can strip out of them serviceable will go into inventory to keep the rest of the fleet running.
With both the 763 and the 321's the oldest birds were retained by AC while Rouge got the newer ones - I suspect because they intend for those aircraft to live on in the rouge fleet for a long time after the older birds are retired from mainline.
Feb 1, 2019, 11:59 am
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True that AC won't keep the 763s. However their 321s are still relatively new and I have not seen any indication that they plan to get rid of them. In contrast with their 320s which are really getting old.
Feb 1, 2019, 12:49 pm
#30
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Many of the interior panels/parts are different on the newer A321's than the legacy fleet so yes they would require two sets of many parts.
With both the 763 and the 321's the oldest birds were retained by AC while Rouge got the newer ones - I suspect because they intend for those aircraft to live on in the rouge fleet for a long time after the older birds are retired from mainline.
With both the 763 and the 321's the oldest birds were retained by AC while Rouge got the newer ones - I suspect because they intend for those aircraft to live on in the rouge fleet for a long time after the older birds are retired from mainline.
The ML 320s aren't even getting a paint job this year.