Dumping Air Canada for Delta?
#16
Join Date: Mar 2012
Posts: 3,166
Delta is probably the best airline in NA in terms of operations and services.
However, a big drawback of Delta is Skymiles...the redemption rates on Skymiles are simply ridiculous and Delta keeps devaluing the redemption rates like there's no tomorrow.
In addition, Skyteam's award seat availability does not stand a chance against Star Alliance.
So if you don't care much about using miles effectively/economically then DL is a good choice, otherwise Air Canada/Aeroplan will give you better award travel options.
However, a big drawback of Delta is Skymiles...the redemption rates on Skymiles are simply ridiculous and Delta keeps devaluing the redemption rates like there's no tomorrow.
In addition, Skyteam's award seat availability does not stand a chance against Star Alliance.
So if you don't care much about using miles effectively/economically then DL is a good choice, otherwise Air Canada/Aeroplan will give you better award travel options.
#17
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Location: Vancouver, Canada
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I didn't so much choose DL as get pushed to them. But I found my experience as a Silver Medallion to be on par with Super Elite, flights departed and arrived on time, and DL F was typically much less than AC Tango.
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/air-c...l-traitor.html
And I found DL points to be very easy to use on the exact flights I wanted and almost fee and tax free.
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/air-c...l-traitor.html
And I found DL points to be very easy to use on the exact flights I wanted and almost fee and tax free.
#18
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I only have two data points. My short flight was fine, but my SFO-ATL flight, departing around noon, offered me the kind of meal I'd expect on a Rapidair flight.
I was really disappointed, and while the FA was absolutely outstanding with his service, he was surprised I expected a large, hot meal on a 4+ hour flight departing at lunch time.
I was really disappointed, and while the FA was absolutely outstanding with his service, he was surprised I expected a large, hot meal on a 4+ hour flight departing at lunch time.
#19
Join Date: Nov 2013
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I speak as someone else considering a swap, not a DL Medallion member -- but look at Skyteam versus Star Alliance. From my poking around, I think I prefer *A has stronger partners.
The fact that DL allows you to roll over unused Medallion (elite) miles is very nice. Hit 49,000 MQM in a year? You are still silver, but start the next year almost silver again at 24,000.
The fact that DL allows you to roll over unused Medallion (elite) miles is very nice. Hit 49,000 MQM in a year? You are still silver, but start the next year almost silver again at 24,000.
#23
Join Date: Apr 2011
Location: YYC
Programs: AC 50k 1MM, Marriott LT Titanium Elite
Posts: 3,400
Add me to the list of people in YYC that would switch in an instant if DL's service to YYC were a bit better. For all the many reasons listed in this thread.
Although I don't find DL cheaper than AC to most places in the eastern USA departing YYC. Even when compared to flight pass prices. Cheaper in J by light years but not in Y. Corporate discounts can be very significant on DL however (65%?) on some fares whereas that is never even remotely close to true on AC.
Although I don't find DL cheaper than AC to most places in the eastern USA departing YYC. Even when compared to flight pass prices. Cheaper in J by light years but not in Y. Corporate discounts can be very significant on DL however (65%?) on some fares whereas that is never even remotely close to true on AC.
#24
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Respectfully disagree.
I find this to be a very pleasant thread. More importantly, there are two things in this thread that stand out:
1. People have professed love for an airline, Delta.
2. There is none of that UA-AC hate-fest that for so long filled this forum. It was tiresome and annoying.
Of the US3 on FT, DL has the least bombastic and aggressive posters, they have fun threads and that's a nice thing.
Either way, for every one person on AC FT who may have status on AC and another airline and alliance, there are a few people thinking about it.
I find this to be a very pleasant thread. More importantly, there are two things in this thread that stand out:
1. People have professed love for an airline, Delta.
2. There is none of that UA-AC hate-fest that for so long filled this forum. It was tiresome and annoying.
Of the US3 on FT, DL has the least bombastic and aggressive posters, they have fun threads and that's a nice thing.
Either way, for every one person on AC FT who may have status on AC and another airline and alliance, there are a few people thinking about it.
#25
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My observation was one of what started out as unavailability in one post became hatred by a subsequent post. No issue that someone or anyone prefers one carrier over another. I have had the opportunity to do limited Delta flights and found Delta to be OK, the best of all the US based carriers I have flown to date.
My post was related to the difference in the tone of posts in this thread versus many other threads where people post on AC FT asking about switching to another airline or how another airline is better.
IMHO, Adam Smith summed it up it best in his post.
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#26
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I saw the OP's used of the word hatred. While I don't love or hate airlines, it was his post, his choice.
My post was related to the difference in the tone of posts in this thread versus many other threads where people post on AC FT asking about switching to another airline or how another airline is better.
IMHO, Adam Smith summed it up it best in his post.
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My post was related to the difference in the tone of posts in this thread versus many other threads where people post on AC FT asking about switching to another airline or how another airline is better.
IMHO, Adam Smith summed it up it best in his post.
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#27
Join Date: Dec 2015
Location: MSP/ORD
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As a Canadian ex-pat in the US, and a UA elite living in a DL hub: I have a passing interest in this thread, but I'm confused in reading it.
First - It's not like DL has intra-Canada operations, right? So, when you're talking about dumping AC for DL, you're just talking about transborder? What would you do for intra-Canada, go to WestJet? Unless almost all your travel is transborder, wouldn't diluting your flying between multiple airlines be against your interests?
Second - If you're dissatisfied with AC, why wouldn't UA be the obvious alternative? I've found DL to be "meh" enough that I'm unmotivated to switch away from UA after re-basing from ORD to MSP. Seems like switching alliances away from *A would be very unattractive to a Canadian.
Cheers.
First - It's not like DL has intra-Canada operations, right? So, when you're talking about dumping AC for DL, you're just talking about transborder? What would you do for intra-Canada, go to WestJet? Unless almost all your travel is transborder, wouldn't diluting your flying between multiple airlines be against your interests?
Second - If you're dissatisfied with AC, why wouldn't UA be the obvious alternative? I've found DL to be "meh" enough that I'm unmotivated to switch away from UA after re-basing from ORD to MSP. Seems like switching alliances away from *A would be very unattractive to a Canadian.
Cheers.
#28
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: YYZ
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For me United is the bottom of the barrel. *A seems to be falling apart as reciprocal treatment seems to be waning.
Since most of my travel is to the US or International, DL is not a bad choice. The 2x a year I fly domestic, I take Porter.
Since most of my travel is to the US or International, DL is not a bad choice. The 2x a year I fly domestic, I take Porter.
#29
Join Date: Apr 2011
Location: YYC
Programs: AC 50k 1MM, Marriott LT Titanium Elite
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As a Canadian ex-pat in the US, and a UA elite living in a DL hub: I have a passing interest in this thread, but I'm confused in reading it.
First - It's not like DL has intra-Canada operations, right? So, when you're talking about dumping AC for DL, you're just talking about transborder? What would you do for intra-Canada, go to WestJet? Unless almost all your travel is transborder, wouldn't diluting your flying between multiple airlines be against your interests?
Second - If you're dissatisfied with AC, why wouldn't UA be the obvious alternative? I've found DL to be "meh" enough that I'm unmotivated to switch away from UA after re-basing from ORD to MSP. Seems like switching alliances away from *A would be very unattractive to a Canadian.
Cheers.
First - It's not like DL has intra-Canada operations, right? So, when you're talking about dumping AC for DL, you're just talking about transborder? What would you do for intra-Canada, go to WestJet? Unless almost all your travel is transborder, wouldn't diluting your flying between multiple airlines be against your interests?
Second - If you're dissatisfied with AC, why wouldn't UA be the obvious alternative? I've found DL to be "meh" enough that I'm unmotivated to switch away from UA after re-basing from ORD to MSP. Seems like switching alliances away from *A would be very unattractive to a Canadian.
Cheers.
#30
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From my personal experience, Delta is much more generous than Air Canada in terms of handling and approving refunds and waiving change-fees and other fees for different kinds of situations, they don't just stick to what is written on the rules, even for a passenger without status.