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RZR Oct 11, 2018 6:27 am


Originally Posted by YYT82 (Post 30303074)


Any unsold seat provided the Y cabin is not overbooked.

Yup... and the beauty of it, we have no way to know if Y is actually overbooked.

Expert flyer may show Y seats being available for revenue sale, but that does not mean that the flight is not overbooked.

At least that is what the folks on Flyertalk told me 6 months ago when I was inquiring about the same thing.

300rwhp Oct 11, 2018 6:42 am

thanks rzr that clarifies.

Plumber Oct 11, 2018 8:15 am


Originally Posted by 300rwhp (Post 30303124)
EF shows Y class available on CPH-YYZ OCT 15 but i cant get it to show on errorplan.com

EF shows AC 883 CPH-YYZ on OCT 15 as J9 C9 D9 Z9 P5 R0 O0 E0 N0 Y4 B4 M4 U3 H3 Q2 V1 W0 S0 T0 L0 K0

Very likely oversold in Y cabin.

canadiancow Oct 11, 2018 8:35 am


Originally Posted by YYT82 (Post 30303074)


Any unsold seat provided the Y cabin is not overbooked.

If it's overbooked, then by definition, there are no unsold seats.


Originally Posted by 300rwhp (Post 30303124)
EF shows Y class available on CPH-YYZ OCT 15 but i cant get it to show on errorplan.com

That's because it's overbooked in Y.


Originally Posted by RZR (Post 30303201)
Yup... and the beauty of it, we have no way to know if Y is actually overbooked.

Sure you do. If it's not showing up, it's overbooked (or full - it doesn't have to be "over", just full).

vernonc Dec 4, 2018 6:42 pm

Quick question. Looking at YYZ-LAX flight. Direct is not available on Aeroplan even on priority rewards. It is available on marketplace awards. Does that mean there is Y space and I need to call in to book ?

Jasper2009 Dec 4, 2018 7:07 pm


Originally Posted by vernonc (Post 30499620)
Quick question. Looking at YYZ-LAX flight. Direct is not available on Aeroplan even on priority rewards. It is available on marketplace awards. Does that mean there is Y space and I need to call in to book ?

This could theoretically happen if economy class is overbooked. Feel free to post the date and flight number if you'd like someone to look up fare class availability.

Plumber Dec 4, 2018 7:13 pm


Originally Posted by vernonc (Post 30499620)
Quick question. Looking at YYZ-LAX flight. Direct is not available on Aeroplan even on priority rewards. It is available on marketplace awards. Does that mean there is Y space and I need to call in to book ?

My guess is that it is full in Y cabin, but Air Canada is still willing to sell more seats to oversell. Some of those oversell sales could go to Aeroplan Market fare rewards.

But you will will not be able to call in and use Priority Rewards.

vernonc Dec 4, 2018 7:22 pm


Originally Posted by Jasper2009 (Post 30499677)
This could theoretically happen if economy class is overbooked. Feel free to post the date and flight number if you'd like someone to look up fare class availability.

0 Connections

AC (**) 18530YYZ
12/25/18 8:30 PMLAS
12/25/18 10:23 PM763
Daily
74% / 18mJ9 C9 D9 Z9 P9 R9 Y9 B9 M9 U9 H9 Q0
V0 W0 G0 S0 T0 L0 A0 K0

So R9 and H9

Jasper2009 Dec 4, 2018 8:03 pm


Originally Posted by vernonc (Post 30499722)
0 Connections

AC (**) 18530YYZ
12/25/18 8:30 PMLAS
12/25/18 10:23 PM763
Daily
74% / 18mJ9 C9 D9 Z9 P9 R9 Y9 B9 M9 U9 H9 Q0
V0 W0 G0 S0 T0 L0 A0 K0

So R9 and H9

Seems very unlikely economy class is overbooked. I'd indeed call Aeroplan (though it may take some luck to find an agent who understands the issue)

Plumber Dec 5, 2018 7:54 am


Originally Posted by vernonc (Post 30499722)
0 Connections

AC (**) 18530YYZ
12/25/18 8:30 PMLAS
12/25/18 10:23 PM763
Daily
74% / 18mJ9 C9 D9 Z9 P9 R9 Y9 B9 M9 U9 H9 Q0
V0 W0 G0 S0 T0 L0 A0 K0

So R9 and H9

Is the issue resolved?

This flight is showing up for me on Aeroplan as being available with a Priority Reward.

vernonc Dec 5, 2018 8:07 am


Originally Posted by Plumber (Post 30501236)
Is the issue resolved?

This flight is showing up for me on Aeroplan as being available with a Priority Reward.

I have not yet decided if I will go so did not call in yet. However to answer your question, it shows priority reward for one seat, I need 4-5 seats.

Plumber Dec 5, 2018 8:11 am


Originally Posted by vernonc (Post 30501271)
, I need 4-5 seats.

Ahhh- I see the issue.

let us know what happens, if you decide to go.

I guess it could be possible that there is only one Economy seat left for sale before it goes oversold.

vernonc Dec 5, 2018 9:56 am


Originally Posted by Plumber (Post 30501283)
Ahhh- I see the issue.

let us know what happens, if you decide to go.

I guess it could be possible that there is only one Economy seat left for sale before it goes oversold.

Generally I agree but in this case I find it hard to believe when EF is showing 9 seats available all the way to H class. If there is only one Y seat available then I would expect that to be in a high fare class like Y, not H9. If oversold or closed to sold out then I would expect to see Y6/B6 and everything else 0. Even perhaps Y9 but that would be pushing it unless J was also completely empty. In this case J9 and R9 so yes, J is also available. Anyway moot point unless I decide to go.

Plumber Dec 5, 2018 10:46 am


Originally Posted by vernonc (Post 30501634)
Generally I agree but in this case I find it hard to believe when EF is showing 9 seats available all the way to H class. If there is only one Y seat available then I would expect that to be in a high fare class like Y, not H9. If oversold or closed to sold out then I would expect to see Y6/B6 and everything else 0. Even perhaps Y9 but that would be pushing it unless J was also completely empty. In this case J9 and R9 so yes, J is also available. Anyway moot point unless I decide to go.

The magic of Revenue Management! :)

canadiancow Dec 5, 2018 10:53 am


Originally Posted by vernonc (Post 30501634)
Generally I agree but in this case I find it hard to believe when EF is showing 9 seats available all the way to H class. If there is only one Y seat available then I would expect that to be in a high fare class like Y, not H9. If oversold or closed to sold out then I would expect to see Y6/B6 and everything else 0. Even perhaps Y9 but that would be pushing it unless J was also completely empty. In this case J9 and R9 so yes, J is also available. Anyway moot point unless I decide to go.

Your expectations are unreasonable.

I've seen flights that were Y9...S5 when it was overbooked already.

If RM thinks that a Christmas flight to LAS has a high likelihood for cancellations or no-shows, they will overbook it more than usual.

The easiest way for an SE to check the load in Y on a flight is to see how many seats you can IKK. IKK is working fine.


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