jc94

Another excellent reason for me to continue this. Along with the ability to fit, and get Zone 3.

I had this once. Maybe 2 or 3 years ago. Checking in at the airport on a Delta flight I think (possibly AA). Asked how much I'd want, I picked the middle option, which wasn't much, and never heard more. The options were all poor, $50/$150/$250 possibly.

Last week UA asked a friend if he would take money to go on a later flight, given he had a 1h connection already, on UA again, he declined.

seadog83

This seems to be the raison d'etre in the business world these days. If you can't quantify something, it's value is 0. When you got *G at 35k miles for AE, I'd always on work rotations fly *somewhere* on star alliance. I could generally find a deal, and would deal exclusively with the alliance, while still looking for low cpm. With the "enhancements" we've seen over the years, I stopped bothering altogether around 2014. How do you account for things that didn't happen? Or is it just a plus in their book since they save on lounge access and eUpgrades?

Most award cards are moving to easily quantifiable % return compared to AE with a 10 leg Mini RTW which would book at $26k. What does that really cost them given that very few ppl would actually pay that? Even now you see a lot of these flying programs move to spend based deals. Copyright ppl say $X lost due to piracy, but really that's just a made up number since conversions between downloads and lost sales would never be 100%. It seems like there's always a motive, and you can massage the data and selectively ignore or trump up "soft" values to make whatever point.

yyznomad

Ok, so Macintosh to Granny Smith?

Jagboi

As a non status economy passenger what's the difference? Very little that I can see, except WS generally treats you better. For many travellers I see them as comparable.

RCyyz

It's not an explicit part of the terms of carriage, but it's certainly implicit. The way things are now, I could show up to the airport for a flight that departs at 0700 but compliments of IDB, I might only depart at 0700+1 or something like that. While this is well within the terms of carriage, it cannot be viewed as reasonable unless compensation makes it so.

Stranger

The conditions of carriage make it very clear.

There are even cases when they end up busing you to your destination. All within contractual obligations.

BTW I have no issue with these conditions. While on stuff like throwing out the last segment, I have serious doubts on the validity of the rules from a legal standpoint. "Your sandwich is $5 if you eat it, but it's $20 if you end up throwing it in the garbage."

Stranger

The more I think about this, the more I support IDBing the cruise crowd. The cruise crowd being a real nuisance. :-)

longtimeflyin

I support rewriting the conditions of carriage.

What about changing the first group of involuntary denied people in the policy for "passengers who do not read the conditions of carriage?"

I think that would appease some.

yyznomad

I meant the companies, their operations, their business models, their products, etc.

Jumper Jack

Lol

Fiordland

Some key differences from a North American frequent flyer perspective:

- I like the Airbus (AC) better than the Boeing (WS). However AC is working on fixing that difference.

- WS lounge rewards for elites are a handful of certs. I have an AMEX Platinum that uses the same lounges domestically. The one problem that needs to be filled is Montreal.

- WS premium economy is more like euro-Business Class except with comp. BOB instead of a proper meal. It is not as nice as AC but a lot cheaper.

- Everything about WS is more casual, everything about AC is just a bit more formal. Feel like a more western Canada company.

- WS interlines and codeshares with Delta and American. They are picking up more skyteam partners. If they were to finally join skyteam or oneworld, I probably would shift completely over to them.

- No overbooking.

- WS 767 service to Europe needs work. Their frequent flyer program also needs work, but you can credit WS flights to Delta so it is ok.

- Along the way WS stopped trying to be a low cost airlines. The CEO at WestJet now use to be the CEO at Canadian Airlines and spent some time at as a VP at Alaska airlines. It is becoming more appealing year over year.

Wpgjetse

That's because it is not even close to AC J class. WS PY is basically AC PY without hot food. This is why I believe AC is/will be starting dom PY soon.

Fiordland

Yes on the 737. On the 767 it is AC J type seats without the same quality of food.

Some of the rumours floating around is the next generation of 737 is getting ovens and proper business class seats.

Wpgjetse

But AC's 767 international flights are not J, they are PY. Those are big rumours in my books. Westjet is trying to cut costs, not increase them.

Stranger

Rouge are PY. Mainline 763s are pods and real J with real J food, no matter how poor it usually is. Admittedly the previous poster was thinking Rouge.