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172pilot Oct 23, 2017 6:07 am


Originally Posted by jasdou (Post 28965491)
Yep, OSS at YUL couldn’t (realistically) be better. At YYZ, not so much.

The only issue at YUL was understanding that you need to go to the Nexus machines first and then to the OSS line. The signs aren't clear. I was there on Friday, went to the OSS area, realized I needed to go to the Nexus machines and then came back. By then there were 5 people in front of me with regular passports and only one agent. Still a good experience.

alc Oct 23, 2017 6:45 am


Originally Posted by 172pilot (Post 28965560)
The only issue at YUL was understanding that you need to go to the Nexus machines first and then to the OSS line. The signs aren't clear. I was there on Friday, went to the OSS area, realized I needed to go to the Nexus machines and then came back. By then there were 5 people in front of me with regular passports and only one agent. Still a good experience.

i don't have Nexus, so here is my question. As a Nexus, do you "have" to use it? In this case, it will faster if you fill up one of the form in advance and go to the regular line. Can you do that? As mentioned on another post off another thread, I did a Gate 81 landing to Gate A47 in 9 min yesterday.

jasdou Oct 23, 2017 8:00 am


Originally Posted by alc (Post 28965656)
i don't have Nexus, so here is my question. As a Nexus, do you "have" to use it? In this case, it will faster if you fill up one of the form in advance and go to the regular line. Can you do that? As mentioned on another post off another thread, I did a Gate 81 landing to Gate A47 in 9 min yesterday.

You are never obligated to use your Nexus privilege. You can use regular lanes if you prefer to.

OSSYULYYZ Oct 23, 2017 8:18 am


Originally Posted by jasdou (Post 28965896)
You are never obligated to use your Nexus privilege. You can use regular lanes if you prefer to.

A bit off topic, but just a reminder that you need your passport if doing this. You should always carry both when travelling by air, but most of the time no on really cares if you have your passport when using the NEXUS lanes at an airport...

Buster CT1K Oct 24, 2017 9:27 am

So if I fly on AC ORD-YUL-PVG, there is security screening at ORD, but not at YUL, is that correct?

What if I fly ORD-YYZ-NRT?

Thanks!

ls17031 Oct 24, 2017 9:45 am


Originally Posted by Buster CT1K (Post 28970493)
So if I fly on AC ORD-YUL-PVG, there is security screening at ORD, but not at YUL, is that correct?

What if I fly ORD-YYZ-NRT?

Thanks!

For YUL that is correct and confirmed.

For YYZ almost certainly yes as well but since I never witnessed myself I can't say 100%.

D582 Oct 24, 2017 10:59 am


Originally Posted by Buster CT1K (Post 28970493)

What if I fly ORD-YYZ-NRT?

Thanks!

No security check at YYZ from ORD to NRT. Just a quick passport check.

yyznomad Oct 24, 2017 11:05 am

This thread is becoming all muddled with non OSS questions.

There are some situations where you don't require another security check that doesn't have OSS.

canadiancow Oct 24, 2017 2:25 pm


Originally Posted by jasdou (Post 28965491)
Yep, OSS at YUL couldn’t (realistically) be better. At YYZ, not so much.

I went domestic to US on Sunday, and I noticed there was a way for international to domestic to walk basically the inverse path I was taking. I haven't tried it, but it looks like it may be improving.

jasdou Oct 24, 2017 2:48 pm


Originally Posted by canadiancow (Post 28971769)
I went domestic to US on Sunday, and I noticed there was a way for international to domestic to walk basically the inverse path I was taking. I haven't tried it, but it looks like it may be improving.

Glad to hear that. I will be doing US to domestic Thursday, I will report back on my experience.

YYT82 Oct 24, 2017 4:05 pm

I find OSS to be slower than using Nexus and re-enter through security most times. The only time when OSS worked well was when I travelled with my wife back from LGA, but I had to do that as she doesn't have Nexus. We landed during a quiet time, so there was no line up. However, there were three or four agents within 50 feet distance checking our boarding passes three or four times. Like seriously, you expect our BP to be altered three or four times within your line of sight?

ridefar Oct 24, 2017 7:17 pm


Originally Posted by YYT82 (Post 28972167)
I find OSS to be slower than using Nexus and re-enter through security most times. The only time when OSS worked well was when I travelled with my wife back from LGA, but I had to do that as she doesn't have Nexus. We landed during a quiet time, so there was no line up. However, there were three or four agents within 50 feet distance checking our boarding passes three or four times. Like seriously, you expect our BP to be altered three or four times within your line of sight?

I assume you are talking about YYZ. I agree. It is spectacularly irritating. I tell them so every time. I try to be polite about it, but I am unsure if I always succeed. :)

OSSYULYYZ Oct 27, 2017 2:23 pm


Originally Posted by jasdou (Post 28971858)
Glad to hear that. I will be doing US to domestic Thursday, I will report back on my experience.

[MENTION=740656]jasdou[/MENTION]: est-ce que vous avez vu le carrefour?

jasdou Oct 28, 2017 11:56 am


Originally Posted by OSSYULYYZ (Post 28985129)
[MENTION=740656]jasdou[/MENTION]: est-ce que vous avez vu le carrefour?

Nope, but since we had to wait for 30 minutes to get a ground agent to let us my inbound aircraft, my confortable 1h15 connection became a stressful 45 minutes run in the airport. I went through the usual CBP OSS counters and was directed down to the bus. Of course, the bus was empty so we waited for another 10-15 minutes before moving. I ended up at my gate as the last boarding group was called. So, no, I did not notice anything different with OSS at YYZ but that may have been because I was stressed and had to hurry. Also, it was a bit late (21:30ish) so maybe they are messing around with things due to staffing or who knows what other reasons.

Nitehawk Oct 28, 2017 8:24 pm

Had OSS on my SFO-YVR boarding card. Was handed a yellow card on arrival, continued to the Nexus machines and went down some corridors to be ejected near domestic security. Asked the SE check-in if I did something wrong. SE checkin thought OSS meant I had priority security privileges, their ignorance is quite funny considering it's an AC boarding card and I told them it represented "one stop security." They do work at the airport though, so what do I know.

Maybe it's coming soon, and maybe it will allow use of the Nexus machines.

GJS - yow Oct 28, 2017 8:46 pm


Originally Posted by Nitehawk (Post 28989159)
Had OSS on my SFO-YVR boarding card. Was handed a yellow card on arrival, continued to the Nexus machines and went down some corridors to be ejected near domestic security. Asked the SE check-in if I did something wrong. SE checkin thought OSS meant I had priority security privileges, their ignorance is quite funny considering it's an AC boarding card and I told them it represented "one stop security." They do work at the airport though, so what do I know.

Maybe it's coming soon, and maybe it will allow use of the Nexus machines.

What was the yellow card about?

YEGTigger Oct 28, 2017 8:54 pm


Originally Posted by GJS - yow (Post 28989210)
What was the yellow card about?

The yellow card just identifies you as a connecting passenger, so that downstream airport staff can direct you to the Connections CBSA booths. But, as discussed a bit upthread, YVR has no OSS, nor will it for a long time without renovations. If you have Nexus, there's no point to the connections process in YVR. We skip it, use Nexus, exit with YVR-destined passengers and go back in to domestic from the "Outside".

Of course, we never have checked baggage, so I'm not sure if that is a problem if you have checked baggage and don't go through the Connections hallway.

GJS - yow Oct 29, 2017 6:46 am


Originally Posted by YEGTigger (Post 28989227)
The yellow card just identifies you as a connecting passenger, so that downstream airport staff can direct you to the Connections CBSA booths. But, as discussed a bit upthread, YVR has no OSS, nor will it for a long time without renovations. If you have Nexus, there's no point to the connections process in YVR. We skip it, use Nexus, exit with YVR-destined passengers and go back in to domestic from the "Outside".

Of course, we never have checked baggage, so I'm not sure if that is a problem if you have checked baggage and don't go through the Connections hallway.

Thanks - I've never seen this before. I will be transiting YVR international-domestic in a few weeks, so this is useful information.

rehoult Oct 29, 2017 4:04 pm


Originally Posted by GJS - yow (Post 28990174)
Thanks - I've never seen this before. I will be transiting YVR international-domestic in a few weeks, so this is useful information.

You'll find YVR employees at the top of the stairs near "connections" signs handing them out.

OSSYULYYZ Nov 9, 2017 12:11 pm


Originally Posted by ridefar (Post 28875340)
It makes no sense to me either. If you can walk to the escalator down to D20, you sure don't need a bus at that point to catch a domestic flight.

It seems that it has been fixed now lmao

lcohen999 Nov 9, 2017 4:29 pm


Originally Posted by jasdou (Post 28965896)
You are never obligated to use your Nexus privilege. You can use regular lanes if you prefer to.

Not only that, there are times you CANNOT use Nexus.

Bringing commercial goods across the border, for example

Stranger Nov 9, 2017 6:48 pm


Originally Posted by lcohen999 (Post 29041779)
Not only that, there are times you CANNOT use Nexus.

Bringing commercial goods across the border, for example

Even bringing chocolate. You go to the normal line, you are fine. Go to the nexus one and declare, they send you to secondary. And miss your connection at YYZ.

OSSYULYYZ Nov 17, 2017 8:24 am

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RatherBeInYOW Nov 17, 2017 8:52 am


Originally Posted by OSSYULYYZ (Post 29071132)

And yesterday at 9:30am (!!) in YYZ the lineup was still 30+ people deep with 2 agents. Went downstairs through the regular NEXUS lane and then re-cleared security (zero lineup) -- much faster than standing in the OSS line and then taking the bus. Also had the advantage of walking by the transfer desk so I could get myself on standby for an earlier flight to YOW.

I want this to work so much, and when it first opened and there was no lineup I was pretty excited about saving some time and security re-clear. But the setup they have at YYZ is such a disaster (too few agents, no NEXUS machine, bus instead of walking) they might as well shut it down and save the cost of operating it.

jasdou Nov 17, 2017 9:56 am


Originally Posted by RatherBeInYOW (Post 29071217)
And yesterday at 9:30am (!!) in YYZ the lineup was still 30+ people deep with 2 agents. Went downstairs through the regular NEXUS lane and then re-cleared security (zero lineup) -- much faster than standing in the OSS line and then taking the bus. Also had the advantage of walking by the transfer desk so I could get myself on standby for an earlier flight to YOW.

I want this to work so much, and when it first opened and there was no lineup I was pretty excited about saving some time and security re-clear. But the setup they have at YYZ is such a disaster (too few agents, no NEXUS machine, bus instead of walking) they might as well shut it down and save the cost of operating it.

Meanwhile, last night in YUL, there were 4 agents waiting for me - zero people in line - and I went from a US gate to a domestic gate in less than 10 minutes.

Bohemian1 Nov 17, 2017 10:02 am


Originally Posted by jasdou (Post 29071444)
Meanwhile, last night in YUL, there were 4 agents waiting for me - zero people in line - and I went from a US gate to a domestic gate in less than 10 minutes.

Comments like yours and moos from others have me plotting to transit YUL instead of YYZ when flying to exotic Winter destinations like BOS. These trips are unfortunately necessary even though they violate one of my personal travel rules.

Yet another reason to avoid YYZ.

lcohen999 Nov 17, 2017 11:33 am


Originally Posted by Stranger (Post 29042244)
Even bringing chocolate. You go to the normal line, you are fine. Go to the nexus one and declare, they send you to secondary. And miss your connection at YYZ.

Not anymore. If you say Yes to food, they will process that right where all the customs agents are, so you can skip secondary

lcohen999 Nov 17, 2017 11:34 am


Originally Posted by RatherBeInYOW (Post 29071217)
And yesterday at 9:30am (!!) in YYZ the lineup was still 30+ people deep with 2 agents. Went downstairs through the regular NEXUS lane and then re-cleared security (zero lineup) -- much faster than standing in the OSS line and then taking the bus. Also had the advantage of walking by the transfer desk so I could get myself on standby for an earlier flight to YOW.

I want this to work so much, and when it first opened and there was no lineup I was pretty excited about saving some time and security re-clear. But the setup they have at YYZ is such a disaster (too few agents, no NEXUS machine, bus instead of walking) they might as well shut it down and save the cost of operating it.

I am hoping/assuming that sooner or later, Nexus machines and a walkway will appear there. There is already one from Domestic to International. Does not seem so impossible to go back the other way

1Newflyer Nov 18, 2017 7:24 pm


Originally Posted by lcohen999 (Post 29071798)
Not anymore. If you say Yes to food, they will process that right where all the customs agents are, so you can skip secondary

So nexus entry is different for each entry? I came back via YUL and used the machine for nexus and it never asked for food. It had a very generic question if I have anything to declare and I said no which would be the same as using the card. Am I missing something?

lcohen999 Nov 19, 2017 9:22 am


Originally Posted by 1Newflyer (Post 29076139)
So nexus entry is different for each entry? I came back via YUL and used the machine for nexus and it never asked for food. It had a very generic question if I have anything to declare and I said no which would be the same as using the card. Am I missing something?

The Nexus machine asks if you are over your limit or have something to declare. It isn't food specifically but it will stop you.

I know in YYZ, there is the Nexus agent you flash your card when you pass. Last time I declared food (Chicago Pizza) I was processed before going down the escalator so I just walked out as per normal

1Newflyer Nov 19, 2017 10:37 am


Originally Posted by lcohen999 (Post 29077676)
The Nexus machine asks if you are over your limit or have something to declare. It isn't food specifically but it will stop you.

I know in YYZ, there is the Nexus agent you flash your card when you pass. Last time I declared food (Chicago Pizza) I was processed before going down the escalator so I just walked out as per normal

Why would I declare items that are permissible? Pizza most likely is not permissible but chocolate, candies, etc are

Stranger Nov 19, 2017 11:14 am


Originally Posted by 1Newflyer (Post 29077916)
Why would I declare items that are permissible? Pizza most likely is not permissible but chocolate, candies, etc are

That's not how it works. They ask you to declare food. Which chocolate is. Then they decide what's permissible.

run&fly Nov 19, 2017 2:29 pm

YUL OSS - kudos
 
Do I like it! 15 min. from touching the gate to DOM MLL^

lcohen999 Nov 20, 2017 8:59 am


Originally Posted by Stranger (Post 29078043)
That's not how it works. They ask you to declare food. Which chocolate is. Then they decide what's permissible.

Yup, this. Yes to food. Tell the person what the food is. They update the computer, write on your Nexus slip and off you go.

Regardless if food is allowed or not, I would always click yes. Not worth loosing Nexus over something simple

Jebby_ca Nov 20, 2017 9:17 am

Recently used 'OSS' connecting US > Intl at YVR. There is no separation on the arrival hallway, after deplaning, for OSS eligible flights. If they are saying passengers from non-OSS eligible flights need to be re-screened prior to boarding their connecting flight, what prevents them from handing off their bags to OSS eligible passengers during the walk down the arrival hallway, before the security checkpoint?

I've only experienced Germany's and Switzerland's version of OSS - and there is physical separation between passengers arriving from "OSS" eligible flights - i.e. they are directed to different arrival hallways/levels.

rehoult Nov 20, 2017 2:58 pm


Originally Posted by Jebby_ca (Post 29081234)
Recently used 'OSS' connecting US > Intl at YVR. There is no separation on the arrival hallway, after deplaning, for OSS eligible flights. If they are saying passengers from non-OSS eligible flights need to be re-screened prior to boarding their connecting flight, what prevents them from handing off their bags to OSS eligible passengers during the walk down the arrival hallway, before the security checkpoint?

I've only experienced Germany's and Switzerland's version of OSS - and there is physical separation between passengers arriving from "OSS" eligible flights - i.e. they are directed to different arrival hallways/levels.

I expect there eventually will be (~5 years from now), but someone's assessed the risk and given them leniency in the meantime to use a makeshift solution.

1Newflyer Nov 20, 2017 10:10 pm


Originally Posted by Stranger (Post 29078043)
That's not how it works. They ask you to declare food. Which chocolate is. Then they decide what's permissible.

Who are they? On the declaration card, it is specified the food categories that must be declared, it does not say food. I am referring to CBSA.

spyrofly Nov 21, 2017 10:53 am


Originally Posted by 1Newflyer (Post 29083836)
Who are they? On the declaration card, it is specified the food categories that must be declared, it does not say food. I am referring to CBSA.

On the E311 declaration card it asks for "plants and animals or their parts/products". Does animal and plant products not include food for you? What is the food you eat based on?

Quite obviously chocolate is a plant product, so it has to be declared.

wsommerv Nov 27, 2017 11:52 am

Quick question. If the line is really long for OSS and I go the traditional way for Nexus, does it matter if I have a checked bag? The bag will still be transferred directly US-->Domestic so will anyone bat an eye if I leave airside without my bags? Or is the no-pickup checked bag scheme a separate program? I'm talking about YYZ here.

D582 Nov 27, 2017 12:15 pm


Originally Posted by wsommerv (Post 29105564)
Quick question. If the line is really long for OSS and I go the traditional way for Nexus, does it matter if I have a checked bag? The bag will still be transferred directly US-->Domestic so will anyone bat an eye if I leave airside without my bags? Or is the no-pickup checked bag scheme a separate program? I'm talking about YYZ here.

No problem, it will not make a difference. The bag will still be transferred.


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