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Adam Smith Mar 8, 2019 3:43 pm

Okay, for the record, here is my experience from this afternoon:

I declared $1076 worth of goods (applicable limit of $800). My colleague declared $935 of goods (also $800 limit) and over his alcohol limit with 17 bottles of wine (i.e. 15 over). We were both waved right through.

Surely at some point they'll charge you, but I don't know at what point that is and whether they can do it up there or have to send you down. But there does seem to be an emphasis on speed of processing at those desks.

jasdou Mar 11, 2019 10:01 am

I was connecting today in YYZ DOM-TB on AC and noticed a new partition being built in the connector between domestic and international/US gates, after the escalator but before they scan your BP to send you towards E or F gates.


https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.fly...a751c7266.jpeg

Hopefully that means the OSS bus ride will be a thing of the past soon.

OSSYULYYZ Mar 11, 2019 10:03 am


Originally Posted by jasdou (Post 30873189)
I was connecting today in YYZ DOM-TB on AC and noticed a new partition being built in the connector between domestic and international/US gates, after the escalator but before they scan your BP to send you towards E or F gates.


https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.fly...a751c7266.jpeg

Hopefully that means the OSS bus ride will be a thing of the past soon.

And also hoping that the security check for DOM-TB will become obsolete.

canadiancow Mar 11, 2019 11:03 am


Originally Posted by OSSYULYYZ (Post 30873204)
And also hoping that the security check for DOM-TB will become obsolete.

That will never happen.

I wonder when they're going to build a partition in YUL so they can re-segregate INTL from DOM.

OSSYULYYZ Mar 11, 2019 11:11 am


Originally Posted by canadiancow (Post 30873501)
That will never happen.

I wonder when they're going to build a partition in YUL so they can re-segregate INTL from DOM.

I have heard that it happened at YEG or YYC. YYC may be due to the new Int'l terminal though...

RangerNS Mar 11, 2019 11:16 am


Originally Posted by jasdou (Post 30873189)
I was connecting today in YYZ DOM-TB on AC and noticed a new partition being built in the connector between domestic and international/US gates, after the escalator but before they scan your BP to send you towards E or F gates.


https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.fly...a751c7266.jpeg

Hopefully that means the OSS bus ride will be a thing of the past soon.

The drywall would go all the way up if it wasn't a temporary wall, but something is happening.

Ill poke a bit in 2 hours. There must be a permit posted somewhere.

canadiancow Mar 11, 2019 11:24 am


Originally Posted by OSSYULYYZ (Post 30873544)
I have heard that it happened at YEG or YYC. YYC may be due to the new Int'l terminal though...

I've done DOM-TB at both of those airports in the past few months, and it required security.

Stanbury Mar 11, 2019 1:13 pm

OSS at YUL -- Experience and Question
 
I came through YUL last Tuesday, connecting from LYS onto a YWG flight. Time from leaving my seat (once the plane door was open) to sitting in the "domestic" lounge with a cuppa was 16 minutes. I cannot think of any airport that I have been through recently where the international to domestic connection experience is anything like as good.

Now my question. Next month we will be connecting via YUL from CMN to YWG all on AC. The admtl connection guide says
  • If your airline offers the option of automatically transferring your luggage, you will be directed to the domestic departures area. (If you are not arriving from the European Union, you will first be directed to the pre-boarding screening checkpoint for connections.)
Question -- is the "pre-boarding screening checkpoint for connections" referred to here just the general YUL security, or is there a separate security checkpoint for international non EU connections such as ours?

RangerNS Mar 11, 2019 2:53 pm

https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.fly...3adce9a837.jpg
You all know what I know.

ls17031 Mar 12, 2019 8:59 am


Originally Posted by canadiancow (Post 30873501)
That will never happen.

I wonder when they're going to build a partition in YUL so they can re-segregate INTL from DOM.

Work is well underway at YUL to complete the new transit processing area and its inauguration will require the end of the mixed departures area. Won't be but a few more months now before transiting YUL will be even more streamlined.

ls17031 Mar 12, 2019 9:06 am


Originally Posted by Stanbury (Post 30874087)
I came through YUL last Tuesday, connecting from LYS onto a YWG flight. Time from leaving my seat (once the plane door was open) to sitting in the "domestic" lounge with a cuppa was 16 minutes. I cannot think of any airport that I have been through recently where the international to domestic connection experience is anything like as good.

Now my question. Next month we will be connecting via YUL from CMN to YWG all on AC. The admtl connection guide says
  • If your airline offers the option of automatically transferring your luggage, you will be directed to the domestic departures area. (If you are not arriving from the European Union, you will first be directed to the pre-boarding screening checkpoint for connections.)
Question -- is the "pre-boarding screening checkpoint for connections" referred to here just the general YUL security, or is there a separate security checkpoint for international non EU connections such as ours?

As AC809 isn't ITD nor OSS you'll have to collect any bags on the carousel, exit the CBSA area and proceed to the CATSA checkpoint on the departures level. The connection area referenced is rarely used as there are very few ITD flights that aren't OSS.

ffsim Mar 12, 2019 9:15 am


Originally Posted by ls17031 (Post 30877390)
Work is well underway at YUL to complete the new transit processing area and its inauguration will require the end of the mixed departures area. Won't be but a few more months now before transiting YUL will be even more streamlined.

Do you have any publicly-available details on this? I've been trying to piece together what all the construction work is about...

ls17031 Mar 12, 2019 10:26 am


Originally Posted by ffsim (Post 30877469)
Do you have any publicly-available details on this? I've been trying to piece together what all the construction work is about...

I haven't seen anything yet public but my employer is a key stakeholder and I've seen the blueprints and workflow diagrams. The facility will be greatly expanded compared to the existing transit lounge and will include dedicated channels for the various transit types. I'm through and around the various works daily and progress is advancing rapidly it would appear. Will the inauguration be successful remains to be seen but on paper the concept is adequate.

ffsim Mar 12, 2019 10:28 am


Originally Posted by ls17031 (Post 30877807)
I haven't seen anything yet public but my employer is a key stakeholder and I've seen the blueprints and workflow diagrams. The facility will be greatly expanded compared to the existing transit lounge and will include dedicated channels for the various transit types. I'm through and around the various works daily and progress is advancing rapidly it would appear. Will the inauguration be successful remains to be seen but on paper the concept is adequate.

Cool, thanks

Stanbury Mar 12, 2019 10:47 am

Thanks for the information -- I wasn't aware that 809 was not ITD. We have a 4 hour connection time, which should be more than adequate!

Adam Smith Mar 30, 2019 6:20 pm

Going to have my first YVR ITD OSS in about 15 hours. Sounds like an underwhelming process? Scrolling quickly through this thread, looks like you still use the regular NEXUS machines? Anyone have any experiences with being over their duty-free limits and doing OSS at YVR? For the second time this month, I'm with someone who has more wine than is permitted, although only 5 bottles over instead of 15 this time :)

D582 Mar 30, 2019 6:46 pm


Originally Posted by canadiancow (Post 30873501)
That will never happen..

I would never say never, but extremely unlikely. The need for the security check is driven by the US so up to them to change. Canadian airports would be more than happy to accommodate.


Originally Posted by RangerNS (Post 30874504)
You all know what I know.

AC MLL agent told me on the 26th that all the construction is work a walkway to replace the bus, and expected to be open in the summer. So we'll see.

lcohen999 Mar 31, 2019 5:57 pm


Originally Posted by Adam Smith (Post 30947633)
Going to have my first YVR ITD OSS in about 15 hours. Sounds like an underwhelming process? Scrolling quickly through this thread, looks like you still use the regular NEXUS machines? Anyone have any experiences with being over their duty-free limits and doing OSS at YVR? For the second time this month, I'm with someone who has more wine than is permitted, although only 5 bottles over instead of 15 this time :)

OSS YVR is a bit of a dance...but it works

down the stairs and through to the Nexus kiosks. Edit: The Nexus kiosk have been moved from the far left (looking straight from the stairs) to the right, to be closer to the OSS customs booths

Then you double back to a small bank of customs officers, go to the bus, they scan your BP

They seem to go every 5-10 minutes depending on how busy they are. After a 5 minute ride, you end up at an empty gate a stones throw from the MLL

Compared to the old way....this is (in context) haven on earth

yyznomad Mar 31, 2019 5:59 pm


Originally Posted by Adam Smith (Post 30947633)
Going to have my first YVR ITD OSS in about 15 hours. Sounds like an underwhelming process? Scrolling quickly through this thread, looks like you still use the regular NEXUS machines? Anyone have any experiences with being over their duty-free limits and doing OSS at YVR? For the second time this month, I'm with someone who has more wine than is permitted, although only 5 bottles over instead of 15 this time :)


Originally Posted by lcohen999 (Post 30950506)
OSS YVR is a bit of a dance...but it works

down the stairs and through to the Nexus kiosks. Edit: The Nexus kiosk have been moved from the far left (looking straight from the stairs) to the right, to be closer to the OSS customs booths

Then you double back to a small bank of customs officers, go to the bus, they scan your BP

They seem to go every 5-10 minutes depending on how busy they are. After a 5 minute ride, you end up at an empty gate a stones throw from the MLL

Compared to the old way....this is (in context) haven on earth

This is good news for [MENTION=233669]vernonc[/MENTION] :D

lcohen999 Mar 31, 2019 6:04 pm

A slightly unrelated topic but did anyone read the article that NRT is starting OSS from some US bound flights

This would be great to see start to happen in Asia.

https://thepointsguy.com/news/narita...reening-trial/

SparseFlyer Mar 31, 2019 6:08 pm


Originally Posted by lcohen999 (Post 30950524)
A slightly unrelated topic but did anyone read the article that NRT is starting OSS from some US bound flights

This would be great to see start to happen in Asia.

https://thepointsguy.com/news/narita...reening-trial/

But NRT is hub for DL/UA though. Dunno if it would be worth it else where?

lcohen999 Mar 31, 2019 6:18 pm


Originally Posted by SparseFlyer (Post 30950530)
But NRT is hub for DL/UA though. Dunno if it would be worth it else where?

I would say, generally speaking anywhere you can avoid security after a long flight is a good thing.

While this is a only a pilot...it would still be great to see. Even as efficient as HKG is, given the common delays AC has, those 10 minutes can be very useful.

Hell, even SYD on an intl-intl connection would be fantastic to skip security there.

SparseFlyer Mar 31, 2019 6:25 pm


Originally Posted by lcohen999 (Post 30950560)
I would say, generally speaking anywhere you can avoid security after a long flight is a good thing.

While this is a only a pilot...it would still be great to see. Even as efficient as HKG is, given the common delays AC has, those 10 minutes can be very useful.

Hell, even SYD on an intl-intl connection would be fantastic to skip security there.

https://www.iata.org/whatwedo/passenger/Pages/one-id.aspx

lcohen999 Mar 31, 2019 6:43 pm


Originally Posted by SparseFlyer (Post 30950587)
https://www.iata.org/whatwedo/passenger/Pages/one-id.aspx

It seems like a great idea but they already have a consistent ID for anywhere in the world...it is called a passport.

Also, the documentation from this is 2017, so it seems to be moving very slowly

ridefar Mar 31, 2019 10:08 pm

Can anybody provide a very specific set of directions for OSS in YUL? Having transited many times I still have no idea where it is and if I can still use Nexus, I have always just recleared domestic security. And as I don’t speak French not a single customs agent or security person claims to know what the heck I am talking about when I have asked.

jasdou Apr 1, 2019 4:03 am


Originally Posted by ridefar (Post 30951085)
Can anybody provide a very specific set of directions for OSS in YUL? Having transited many times I still have no idea where it is and if I can still use Nexus, I have always just recleared domestic security. And as I don’t speak French not a single customs agent or security person claims to know what the heck I am talking about when I have asked.

Very easy and simple. You go down the escalators in the customs hall and follow directions for connections. There will be airport staff directing traffic, but you basically have to do a U-turn after going down the escalators. That will bring you a small customs hall for connections. There are Nexus machines available. After using the kiosk, you hand out your receipt and there will be a quick BP check and you end up in the international wing of the terminal.

The only thing I am not sure is if anything has changed since the airport has re-segregated International and Donestic gates. Last time I was there I did see some construction so they might have built a hallway for OSS passengers to go directly to Domestic instead of international.

I am connecting in YUL from the US on Wednesday and can report back.

No need to speak French by the way. Airport staff and customs officers will be fully bilingual. French is my first language but I sometimes end up interacting with them in English for several reasons.

Cozmo456 Apr 1, 2019 8:42 am


Originally Posted by ridefar (Post 30951085)
Can anybody provide a very specific set of directions for OSS in YUL? Having transited many times I still have no idea where it is and if I can still use Nexus, I have always just recleared domestic security. And as I don’t speak French not a single customs agent or security person claims to know what the heck I am talking about when I have asked.

Also do not use the APP for boarding passes. They need your ongoing BP and mine never appears by the time I get to the front of the line. The app is way to slow in showing the next one. You can get a reprint from the AC desk before you hit the machines.

colombianbrew Apr 1, 2019 9:09 am


Originally Posted by jasdou (Post 30951697)


Very easy and simple. You go down the escalators in the customs hall and follow directions for connections. There will be airport staff directing traffic, but you basically have to do a U-turn after going down the escalators. That will bring you a small customs hall for connections. There are Nexus machines available. After using the kiosk, you hand out your receipt and there will be a quick BP check and you end up in the international wing of the terminal.

The only thing I am not sure is if anything has changed since the airport has re-segregated International and Donestic gates. Last time I was there I did see some construction so they might have built a hallway for OSS passengers to go directly to Domestic instead of international.

are you saying this only currently works for international connections or can you get from the international terminal to domestic? I connect through YUL from the US to domestic fairly regularly and have always gone out and re-cleared security. Would be great to not have to! Thanks



RangerNS Apr 1, 2019 9:37 am

I've also as recently as last month done US-YUL-YHZ, and the process is as explained. Tight U-turn at the bottom of the stairs in the huge customs hall.

When I was there International / Domestic was still one space.

Apparently it is April 3 that this will change ( see: https://milesopedia.com/actualites/a...internationale )

Unclear what the effect on OSS will be.

colombianbrew Apr 1, 2019 9:44 am


Originally Posted by RangerNS (Post 30952628)
I've also as recently as last month done US-YUL-YHZ, and the process is as explained. Tight U-turn at the bottom of the stairs in the huge customs hall.

When I was there International / Domestic was still one space.

Apparently it is April 3 that this will change ( see: https://milesopedia.com/actualites/a...internationale )

Unclear what the effect on OSS will be.

interesting, thanks all for the tip. I will have to give it a try next time! Normally I come down the stairs and go straight ahead and to the right for Nexus. I’ll keep an eye out for the u-turn

RatherBeInYOW Apr 1, 2019 11:54 am


Originally Posted by Cozmo456 (Post 30952404)
Also do not use the APP for boarding passes. They need your ongoing BP and mine never appears by the time I get to the front of the line. The app is way to slow in showing the next one. You can get a reprint from the AC desk before you hit the machines.

Unless you have iOS and you can just put the pass in your Apple wallet. I've never used a printed BP with the new YUL OSS setup (which is awesome) and I've been fine.

jasdou Apr 1, 2019 2:20 pm


Originally Posted by colombianbrew (Post 30952504)


are you saying this only currently works for international connections or can you get from the international terminal to domestic? I connect through YUL from the US to domestic fairly regularly and have always gone out and re-cleared security. Would be great to not have to! Thanks

This works for US to Domestic and International to Domestic.


Originally Posted by RangerNS (Post 30952628)
I've also as recently as last month done US-YUL-YHZ, and the process is as explained. Tight U-turn at the bottom of the stairs in the huge customs hall.

When I was there International / Domestic was still one space.

Apparently it is April 3 that this will change ( see: https://milesopedia.com/actualites/a...internationale )

Unclear what the effect on OSS will be.

I am doing US-YUL-YQB on the 3rd so I will report back.

OSSYULYYZ Apr 1, 2019 2:23 pm


Originally Posted by jasdou (Post 30953772)
I am doing US-YUL-YQB on the 3rd so I will report back.

Please take and post pictures if possible.

eastcoastcan Apr 1, 2019 8:02 pm

This is too bad, I enjoyed being able to take a long walk in the relatively uncrowded international pier on my SFO-YUL-YHZ layovers. The National Bank lounge was also a nice option and the international MLL seemed to let me in as an SE most of the time if the YHZ gate was anywhere nearby (which more often than not it seems to be).

The Domestic gates at YUL are so crowded and small!

jasdou Apr 3, 2019 1:58 pm

I just connected from the US to a Domestic flight in YUL today.

The most significant change is that the staff scanning BPs after CBSA check will either direct you through the glass doors to international gates or down a semi-finished hallway that spits you back on the Domestic side, close to the intersection between International, TB and Dom areas (by the YUL Pizza counter).

Very easy and smooth but it seems like you have to show your BP every 10 feet.

The new BP check for the international wing was also in full force with extra staff to help. It heard one agent say that once you go through to the International gates, you are not allowed back to the Domestic side. Gate 51 also now appears to be a hybrid gate with a glass partition that can be accessed either from the International side or the Domestic side.

Again, as it has been discussed upthread, OSS in YUL is so much smoother and efficient than YYZ because of the presence of CBSA automated kiosks, Nexus machines and no need to take a bus that leaves at intermittent intervals.

ridefar Apr 11, 2019 4:31 pm


Originally Posted by jasdou (Post 30951697)


Very easy and simple. You go down the escalators in the customs hall and follow directions for connections. There will be airport staff directing traffic, but you basically have to do a U-turn after going down the escalators. That will bring you a small customs hall for connections. There are Nexus machines available. After using the kiosk, you hand out your receipt and there will be a quick BP check and you end up in the international wing of the terminal.

The only thing I am not sure is if anything has changed since the airport has re-segregated International and Donestic gates. Last time I was there I did see some construction so they might have built a hallway for OSS passengers to go directly to Domestic instead of international.

I am connecting in YUL from the US on Wednesday and can report back.

No need to speak French by the way. Airport staff and customs officers will be fully bilingual. French is my first language but I sometimes end up interacting with them in English for several reasons.

Thanks to you and others. Process was smooth and seamless and generally several orders of magnitude better and less stupid than YYZ. No pictures as I don’t think they are allowed in customs hall.

OSSYULYYZ Apr 11, 2019 4:32 pm


Originally Posted by ridefar (Post 30990594)


Thanks to you and others. Process was smooth and seamless and generally several orders of magnitude better and less stupid than YYZ. No pictures as I don’t think they are allowed in customs hall.

Probably not allowed in the customs hall, but I have yet to see pictures of the division between Domestic and Int'l around Gate 50.

ridefar Apr 11, 2019 4:46 pm


Originally Posted by OSSYULYYZ (Post 30990596)
Probably not allowed in the customs hall, but I have yet to see pictures of the division between Domestic and Int'l around Gate 50.

I can’t imagine it is final because it is is pretty haphazard and temporary looking right now. Lots of people standing around making very sure you don’t end up where you shouldn’t be. The OSS hallway spits you out right there.

C-FMWQ Apr 21, 2019 9:16 pm


Originally Posted by OSSYULYYZ (Post 30990596)
Probably not allowed in the customs hall, but I have yet to see pictures of the division between Domestic and Int'l around Gate 50.

I flew through YUL on April 6th but forgot to post the picture. It looks like they've added a barrier around gate 51 and there are agents checking boarding passes to go towards the international gates. I'll be through YUL again in a few weeks and can update you on any changes.

Also, I might have just been too tired to notice but I ended up leaving customs and having to reclear CATSA security to get to my domestic gate (User error since I wasn't able to read the signs :D ?). Wasn't an issue since YUL was pretty dead but I thought the whole idea of OSS allowed for connections without reclearing security?

https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.fly...4b20974e96.jpg

RatherBeInYOW Apr 22, 2019 5:17 am


Originally Posted by C-FMWQ (Post 31024028)
Also, I might have just been too tired to notice but I ended up leaving customs and having to reclear CATSA security to get to my domestic gate (User error since I wasn't able to read the signs :D ?). Wasn't an issue since YUL was pretty dead but I thought the whole idea of OSS allowed for connections without reclearing security?

I guess you were too tired to notice. When you go down the stairs in to the main customs hall you need to keep left and left again by where the elevators are to get to the OSS domestic connections area, which bypasses having to clear security. Usually there is someone hollering about "domestic connections this way" but if it was pretty dead then maybe not.


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