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Cam Oct 18, 2014 11:38 am

Update - Tango vs Flex
 
Remember those days when the difference between Tango and Flex fares (under different names of course) was about 10%?

Now you have to pay almost double the price of a Westjet airfare to get a reserved seat and get qualifying flyer points.

Wow, the incentive to reach 1,000,000 miles becomes even greater. I'll bet it won't be much longer before you need to get 1,000,000 "qualifying" miles before you get so-called lifetime status.

The Lev Oct 18, 2014 12:09 pm


Originally Posted by Cam (Post 23697225)
Wow, the incentive to reach 1,000,000 miles becomes even greater. I'll bet it won't be much longer before you need to get 1,000,000 "qualifying" miles before you get so-called lifetime status.

The Million Mile program is and always has been based on "qualifying" miles - not actual miles. Good for people flying J, not so good if you buy Tango.

Klove007 Oct 18, 2014 12:09 pm

Isn't it not already 1million AQM for lifetime status?

superangrypenguin Oct 18, 2014 12:11 pm


Originally Posted by The Lev (Post 23697353)
The Million Mile program is and always has been based on "qualifying" miles - not actual miles. Good for people flying J, not so good if you buy Tango.

Does this include aqm bonus offers? Aka book and fly and get an additional 75% aqm

yvr76 Oct 18, 2014 12:15 pm


Originally Posted by superangrypenguin (Post 23697366)
Does this include aqm bonus offers? Aka book and fly and get an additional 75% aqm

No.

Cam Oct 18, 2014 12:33 pm


Originally Posted by Klove007 (Post 23697355)
Isn't it not already 1million AQM for lifetime status?

True, but prior to a redefinition some years ago of Q miles, any mile flown with AC on and AC metal was a Q mile.

aircanada_loyal Oct 18, 2014 1:03 pm

It's interesting that AQS doesn't count towards the MM program. If someone flies AC 100 segments per year they are automatically SE, and for 10 years that equates to 1,000 segments, but they get nothing. On the other hand, if someone flies AC with 100,000 AC status miles per year for 10 years, they automatically become ACMM/E50K for the rest of their lives.

Flying by segments is more arduous than flying by miles (imagine sitting in a DH-3 for 100 times a year).

Air Canada or Aeroplan or Altitude, if you are listening, you should consider the following:
1,000,000 AC status miles or 1,000 AC segments = ACMM/E50K.

yvr76 Oct 18, 2014 1:28 pm


Originally Posted by aircanada_loyal (Post 23697569)
Air Canada or Aeroplan or Altitude, if you are listening, you should consider the following:
1,000,000 AC status miles or 1,000 AC segments = ACMM/E50K.

Now that Tango counts for 1 AQS, it does become harder to tie 1000 segments to revenue. For YVR-YYZ, both a Tango and Business Class give 1 AQS, but Tango gives only 25% AQM and J gives 150%.

Stranger Oct 18, 2014 1:58 pm


Originally Posted by Cam (Post 23697459)
True, but prior to a redefinition some years ago of Q miles, any mile flown with AC on and AC metal was a Q mile.

But then prior to that, i.e. prior to a previous redefinition, there was a time when depending upon the fare, you did not necessarily get 100% of the miles flown, for domestic/NA itineraries.

So we more or less came full circle. Although at that time, no fare would earn less than 50% AQM if my memory is correct.

Wpgjetse Oct 18, 2014 2:08 pm


Originally Posted by aircanada_loyal (Post 23697569)
It's interesting that AQS doesn't count towards the MM program. If someone flies AC 100 segments per year they are automatically SE, and for 10 years that equates to 1,000 segments, but they get nothing. On the other hand, if someone flies AC with 100,000 AC status miles per year for 10 years, they automatically become ACMM/E50K for the rest of their lives.

Flying by segments is more arduous than flying by miles (imagine sitting in a DH-3 for 100 times a year).

Air Canada or Aeroplan or Altitude, if you are listening, you should consider the following:
1,000,000 AC status miles or 1,000 AC segments = ACMM/E50K.

There is a big difference. First, you basically need to fly flex or higher to become MM member. You can't segment fly for miles(ok maybe a few extra if you try). If 1000 AC segments do count for MM, tango fares should be counted at 50% and segment flying should not be allowed.

YYZ7464 Oct 18, 2014 2:10 pm

??? Million Miles Program means achieving flying actual 1,2 or 3 million miles. Imagine flying between YOW and YUL, Air Canada gives a minimum of 500 AQM per segment. To achieve SE status, one only has to fly 95 segments per year, that translates to 49,000 miles. For suggestion of 1000 AQS to achieve 1MM, it means only flying 500,000 miles??? That is a 50% discount and it is no longer a MM recognition.???

FlyerTalker683455 Oct 18, 2014 2:23 pm


Originally Posted by YYZ7464 (Post 23697791)
??? Million Miles Program means achieving flying actual 1,2 or 3 million miles. Imagine flying between YOW and YUL, Air Canada gives a minimum of 500 AQM per segment. To achieve SE status, one only has to fly 95 segments per year, that translates to 49,000 miles. For suggestion of 1000 AQS to achieve 1MM, it means only flying 500,000 miles??? That is a 50% discount and it is no longer a MM recognition.???

note to mention that the actual mileage is closer to 120 miles on that sector, meaning just 120,000 in-the-air miles flown...

The Lev Oct 18, 2014 2:50 pm


Originally Posted by Stranger (Post 23697732)
But then prior to that, i.e. prior to a previous redefinition, there was a time when depending upon the fare, you did not necessarily get 100% of the miles flown, for domestic/NA itineraries.

So we more or less came full circle. Although at that time, no fare would earn less than 50% AQM if my memory is correct.

Your memory is incorrect. I have plenty of domestic Tango flights dating back from 2007-2011 that earned ZERO status miles and 25% non-status miles. (Sorry did not track this stuff prior to 2007).

Stranger Oct 18, 2014 3:39 pm


Originally Posted by The Lev (Post 23697945)
Your memory is incorrect. I have plenty of domestic Tango flights dating back from 2007-2011 that earned ZERO status miles and 25% non-status miles. (Sorry did not track this stuff prior to 2007).

I am talking prior to the that. Prior to the (relatively short) period when all flights earned 100%, prior to the Tango/Tango plus etc. crap. Was based upon booking code. Restricted fares earned 50% I believe.

wolvie007 Oct 18, 2014 5:31 pm

Thanks Stranger, this time takes me back to when I started flying work work and dating my girlfriend (whom became my wife).

Any discounted fare (requiring round trip AND Saturday night stay) only received 50% miles. Being a newbie at the time, i recall how it sucked to only get 50% miles. Full fares (y, b and a few others I'm sure) got 100% but we're over $2k one way between toronto and calgary.

Then there was Tango (the airline!). No miles on any flights from what I recall. However for fares that were regularly under $100 one way between toronto and calgary, it hardly seemed to matter.


Originally Posted by Stranger (Post 23698080)
Quote:





Originally Posted by The Lev


Your memory is incorrect. I have plenty of domestic Tango flights dating back from 2007-2011 that earned ZERO status miles and 25% non-status miles. (Sorry did not track this stuff prior to 2007).




I am talking prior to the that. Prior to the (relatively short) period when all flights earned 100%, prior to the Tango/Tango plus etc. crap. Was based upon booking code. Restricted fares earned 50% I believe.



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