767's
 

Allright, I flew to Toronto from Calgary this past weekend, and each flight was on a different type of 767.... Does anyone have any specifics on the different types of 767's that AC operates? I suspect I was on a 767-200 as it was shorter than the 767-300ER (Old Canadian aircraft) I flew later on. I have checked the AC webpage and little comment is made about the different types.

I'm interested to hear your comments!!

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There are several types of 767s in AC's fleet. What do you want to know about them? (Configuration?)

It's hard to predict what kind of 767s AC will use on a particular route unless you're flying international then you can be sure that AC will be flying a 767-300ER (either AC metal or ex-CP metal).

Hi Empress, thanks for the fast reply! I am just curious as to the actual different configurations. Correct me if I am wrong, but I was under the belief there are three different types of 767's?

767-200 (old Air Canada)
767-300ER (old Canadian- some of them still with Club Empress Bus. Class?)
767-300 (old AC??) (ER?)

I am simply curious as to which types are flown, and the commonality of each (ie are the engines all the same?)

Thanks for your words!

Well, not eggs-actly (sorry, couldn't resist). There are some internationally - configured (that is, with a 2-2-1 J class config) 767-200's that operate to Europe, and there are the domestic 767s that do the MAN/GLA yuns out of YYZ, and I think soon to DUB/SNN.

I think CP only had two variants of 767 (300ER in Club Empress config or not), where AC had a real hodge-podge of configs (at least 4 that I can think of)... AC is also currently leasing two 767-300's on a PBH basis, and I believe I flew on one last week YUL-YYZ... nice new interior with flat panel IFE screens above the aisle in Y.

My best guess on AC's 767 fleet:

FINs 601 to 611(?) were the original 767 order that began delivery in 1983. J layout is 2-2-2. Bonus points if you know where FIN 604 is today.
FINs 671 and 672 were bought from Pacific Western some years ago. Cargo planners hate these aircraft because they have a standard width (non-pallet) front cargo door, making them far less useful for moving large shipments. I think these are 2-2-2.
FINs 612-618(?) are the international 767-200ERs, used for YYZ-CDG, YHZ-LHR, and I'm sure some other routes I can't remember. J is 2-2-1.
FINs 631-636(?) are your original AC 300ERs. They are 2-2-1. Any FIN above that are ex-CP which can vary, except for the 68X FINs which I'm not sure about. perhaps the PBH aircraft??

Care to elaborate, ACDUDE?



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FIN numbers... here ya go:

http://www.canairradio.com/767.html

You can tell who the aircraft belongs to by looking at the equipment. For example, 767-3XX where XX represents the airline that the aircraft was delivered to.

As for configuration...

CP only had 767-300ER. Most of them are configured with Club Empress [1-2-2] while a couple of them are domestic J.

AC has 767-200 (domestic J), 767-200ER (international J [2-2-1] & domestic J) & 767-300ER (international J [2-2-1] & domestic J).

As for engines, from AC's website:

767-200: JT9D-7R4D
767-200ER: JT9D-7R4D
767-300ER: PW 4060 - 2 GE CF6-80C2

AC's website also has a detailed listing of FIN numbers:

http://www.aircanada.ca/about-us/our-fleet/finac.html

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I am pretty sure FIN 658-661 are new 763s (AC metal) that were just delivered late last year/early this year.

I also think that some of the 767-200ER's (fin 612-622) have a domestic J cabin configuration ... at least that was the plan announced last fall ... but I'm not sure which ones.

Hmmm... now that I think about it, you're probably right, as I don't think the early 200-series deliveries are equipped with the necessary safety equipment needed in the event of a ocean ditching, and therefore couldn't do the overwater journeys... now I'm interested...

(YYZC2 sees any hope of getting any revenue-generating work done tonight going right out the proverbial window...)

It is really complicated and even the fleet schedulers have night mares trying to sort them out.

Couple of corrections:
621 and 622 are domestic configured ER's that were NZ airplanes. I think the wall paper is still slightly different and the coat closet in the forward galley is not there.

612-618 are being transformed from Executive first to domestic executive so the line up can change weekly.

We used to refer to the non-Exec 1st airplanes as Domestics, Yellows, Pinks, and Blues.

Domestics could not leave contiguous North America.
Yellow airplanes could operate Domestic and Carribbean.
Pinks had the range and equipment for Domestic, Carri, and Trans Atlantic
to GLA/MAN
Blues could do all of the above plus HNL/OGG.

Why Pink, Yellow, and Blue.

Cause that was the colour of the Hi-Liters we had to mark them on our charts.

and who said that AC wasn't Hi-Tech!!

Isn't 604 the famous Gimli Glider? It was retired last year, then after a D check on October 11, 2001 it was put back in service.

I would love to fly on the Gimli Glider!