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Originally Posted by hydrogen
(Post 20682757)
What? The no status passenger is cleared before a status nominee? You said that nominees are cleared after status passengers. That doesn't make sense since the no status passenger isn't a status passenger. The no status passenger therefore shouldn't be cleared before a status nominee...
And under what means does a no status, non-nominated passenger request an upgrade? S/he should not have any eUp credits, correct? This thread just got 1000x more confusing. First status passengers requesting WITH THEIR OWN CREDITS are cleared. After this they move to the nominees. Once they are onto the nominee's that have requests using other peoples credits, these individuals are processed according to the status of the person nominating them NOT their own personal status. Thus at the gate an E35 requesting an upgrade on their own credits will trump a superelite being nominated by an E75, E50 or E35! |
And to take it to the extreme:
A SE nominated by their E50 spouse will lose out to a no status passenger nominated by their SE friend because if you are a nominee your status doesn't count!! (Well, it probably does if there is tie, but I have no idea in that case if status or fare or OLCI is the factor. Haven't tested this one) |
Jesus... I am going to call in a few favors from some PhD Mathmatics friends of mine to develop an algorithim for us.... ;)
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Originally Posted by YULforever
(Post 20682566)
Nominees are cleared after status passengers EVEN if the nominees have their own status!
This could explain the issue noted above where an SE is trumped by a no status passenger. If the SE was nominated by an E50, a no status passenger nominiated by an SE will actually get it before the SE. I confirmed this with the concierges, and experimentally.
Originally Posted by YULforever
(Post 20682776)
It is confusing but to clarify:
First status passengers requesting WITH THEIR OWN CREDITS are cleared. After this they move to the nominees. Once they are onto the nominee's that have requests using other peoples credits, these individuals are processed according to the status of the person nominating them NOT their own personal status. Thus at the gate an E35 requesting an upgrade on their own credits will trump a superelite being nominated by an E75, E50 or E35! This is absolutely not true. Mrs. YVR is E50K and I routinely use her credits to nominate me on my flights. When I'm on a flight pass, I almost always clear even if it's J1. On Monday night (YVR SFO AC 565) It was J2 R0, and I can confirm there were at least 4 people on the waitlist: - myself (S100K), nominated by Mrs. YVR (E50K), Flex M - friend (E50K), requested by himself, Flex M - friend (E50K), requested by herself, Flex M - random pax, S100K, unknown who requested The two upgrades that cleared were myself and the other S100K I did not know (I saw his boarding pass at the gate next to mine). If your hypothesis is correct, then one of my friends would have trumped me as the requested the upgrades themselves. From my experience, the nominated pax status is taken into account, not the requester. Perhaps that what the concierge meant to say? Although I've found that concierges themselves are confused exactly over the protocol. |
Originally Posted by yvr76
(Post 20683425)
This is absolutely not true. Mrs. YVR is E50K and I routinely use her credits to nominate me on my flights. When I'm on a flight pass, I almost always clear even if it's J1.
On Monday night (YVR SFO AC 565) It was J2 R0, and I can confirm there were at least 4 people on the waitlist: - myself (S100K), nominated by Mrs. YVR (E50K), Flex M - friend (E50K), requested by himself, Flex M - friend (E50K), requested by herself, Flex M - random pax, S100K, unknown who requested The two upgrades that cleared were myself and the other S100K I did not know (I saw his boarding pass at the gate next to mine). If your hypothesis is correct, then one of my friends would have trumped me as the requested the upgrades themselves. From my experience, the nominated pax status is taken into account, not the requester. Perhaps that what the concierge meant to say? Although I've found that concierges themselves are confused exactly over the protocol. |
Originally Posted by HerpaYvr
(Post 20682453)
Funny though, I like certain seats in J, so if I do not get my J seat seven days out, I skip it all together now.
On my flight Pass to YVR this weekend I was upgraded seven days out great got the seat I wanted, coming home waitlisted so I said nah, one hour flight, sit in my nice seat in the back :D |
Originally Posted by yvr76
(Post 20683425)
If your hypothesis is correct, then one of my friends would have trumped me as the requested the upgrades themselves.
From my experience, the nominated pax status is taken into account, not the requester. Perhaps that what the concierge meant to say? Although I've found that concierges themselves are confused exactly over the protocol. |
It's simple really - eat dinner before the flight, don't pack carry on and arrive early at the gate. A lot of the benefits of J no longer matter in this situation so the upgrade is virtually guaranteed.
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Lots of expertise here based on personal experiences no doubt which may leave some confusion. I think the original breakdown is correct for airport clearing of upgrades:
1) Revenue tickets before award tickets; within that: 1a) connection bonus YMMV - seems that in my experience, connecting pax are upgraded before tier kicks in based on limited data set; my wife (was Prestige at time, now 50K) flying in from EZE connecting through YYZ to YYC. Only 2 upgrades available, I got one and she got the other despite there being other presumably direct flight SEs waiting around for upgrades that didn't clear. We were flying on pretty low Tango Plus fares on top of it. 2) By status tier (SEs before E75s, then E50s, etc); within each tier: 3) By fare class (higher fare class goes first) 4) Time of upgrade request in case of tie I have been lucky getting 100% upgrades that I have wanted since the early 2000s (when I missed 2 transpac ones). |
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Originally Posted by BlondeBomber
(Post 20683745)
Lots of expertise here based on personal experiences no doubt which may leave some confusion. I think the original breakdown is correct for airport clearing of upgrades:
1) Revenue tickets before award tickets; within that: 1a) connection bonus YMMV - seems that in my experience, connecting pax are upgraded before tier kicks in based on limited data set; my wife (was Prestige at time, now 50K) flying in from EZE connecting through YYZ to YYC. Only 2 upgrades available, I got one and she got the other despite there being other presumably direct flight SEs waiting around for upgrades that didn't clear. We were flying on pretty low Tango Plus fares on top of it. 2) By status tier (SEs before E75s, then E50s, etc); within each tier: 3) By fare class (higher fare class goes first) 4) Time of upgrade request in case of tie I have been lucky getting 100% upgrades that I have wanted since the early 2000s (when I missed 2 transpac ones). And as posted up thread, I believe it is check-in sequence that governs in case of a tie. In my recent case, I had requested the upgrade within seconds of the window, but missed out to an earlier OLCI. |
Originally Posted by Premiere Elite - YEG
(Post 20683530)
19A or F perhaps. By far the best seats on the Embraer.
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Originally Posted by RevvedUp
(Post 20682161)
For me, the worst is the "gate wait" where you have no idea whether to board first (in order to secure overhead bin space) or to hang around at the gate to see if your upgrade clears. You can try to ask but I find it stressful and inconsistent.
The wonderfully helpful concierge was direct and crystal clear; boarding WILL NOT remove you from the upgrade list. If you've boarded, and a space opens up, then someone should come onboard and move you up. Now, she observed that even though that's the rule, and the way the system works ... it requires extra work for someone to board and get you - and if you happen to have a gate agent who's taking shortcuts, there's a chance that they won't bother to come on board and get you, they might just let the flight depart with a possible upgrade unfilled. However, to the direct question of "Will boarding, remove you from the upgrade list?" -- her answer was a direct and unequivocal "no". |
Can anyone confirm the priority status of a Million Miler in all this?
For example, does an A75K who is also a Million Miler "trump" a regular A75K who is not a Million Miler? Similarly in other tiers? A life time MM A50K trumps a regular A50K? |
Originally Posted by canopus27
(Post 20684600)
I went to the concierge desk recently and asked directly about this.
The wonderfully helpful concierge was direct and crystal clear; boarding WILL NOT remove you from the upgrade list. If you've boarded, and a space opens up, then someone should come onboard and move you up. Now, she observed that even though that's the rule, and the way the system works ... it requires extra work for someone to board and get you - and if you happen to have a gate agent who's taking shortcuts, there's a chance that they won't bother to come on board and get you, they might just let the flight depart with a possible upgrade unfilled. However, to the direct question of "Will boarding, remove you from the upgrade list?" -- her answer was a direct and unequivocal "no". |
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