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brownbomber Jan 29, 2013 4:21 pm

Advice re eupgrades needed
 
Can someone advise if this is correct, or if I should chase it up.
Flew LHR-YYZ-SYD and applied for upgrade on whole route.
Was upgraded LHR-YYZ at the gate and told to approach gate at YYZ re upgrade on YYZ-SYD flight (Direct flight AC33 via Vancouver).
On arrival at gate asked what were my upgrade chances (as E on an incoming connecting flight) and was advised to wait.
After watching 15 people being upgraded at the gate I queried once again, as I was a connecting passenger, and the GA snapped back at me, would you prefer to be upgraded on this leg, or the YVR-SYD leg?
After watching over 20 people beng upgraded it felt like they had deliberately left me out(especially in light of the GAs comment and the fact that I was upgraded on the YVR-SYD leg)
Should I have been upgraded on AC034 the whole way, or can they piecemeal upgrade the flight?
OK, so I know being upgraded is a privilege, and I didnt create a fuss, just asked in a friendly manner.Even helped them out by moving seats to accommodate a baby.
My gripe is not so much not being upgraded, but...now I have been charged a total of 31 eupgrades, 14 of which are debited against my ticket, and 17 showing as cancelled on my eupgrade account(I am assuming they had to cancel 17 as both could not be showing as debited on that ticket number!)
I have emailed them but they tell me it is correct, 2 separate flights LHR-YYZ and YVR-SYD.
This is really annoying as this ploy appears to have gotten an extra 14 eupgrades, from me and 14 from the other person upgraded on YYZ-YVR route.
Should I chase this up any further and if so with whom? An email quoting the rules which would appear to support that the upgrade debits are based on ticket, not flights, has gone unanswered.
Thanks

LockheedElectra Jan 29, 2013 6:15 pm

My understanding is that unless the ticket is issued for a flight that is continuous but has stopovers (like AC8 out of HKG), then each segment needs to be upgraded separately. In fact, I would say you did it right. LHR YYZ is worth an upgrade, as is YVR SYD, YYZ YVR I would be just as happy to sit in the back.

yul7075 Jan 29, 2013 7:10 pm


Originally Posted by brownbomber (Post 20148699)
My gripe is not so much not being upgraded, but...now I have been charged a total of 31 eupgrades, 14 of which are debited against my ticket, and 17 showing as cancelled on my eupgrade account(I am assuming they had to cancel 17 as both could not be showing as debited on that ticket number!)
I have emailed them but they tell me it is correct, 2 separate flights LHR-YYZ and YVR-SYD.
This is really annoying as this ploy appears to have gotten an extra 14 eupgrades, from me and 14 from the other person upgraded on YYZ-YVR route.
Should I chase this up any further and if so with whom? An email quoting the rules which would appear to support that the upgrade debits are based on ticket, not flights, has gone unanswered.
Thanks

This is not correct you should only be charged 17 credits for the entire journey if its indeed under one ticket, LHR-SYD requires only 17 credits even if you were not upgraded on the YYZ-YVR portion

My guess is that the GA in YYZ messed up something and re added you to the upgr. list and than placed a memo on your booking to deduct the credits manually for the YVR GA if you'r upgraded on that leg

brownbomber Jan 29, 2013 7:49 pm


Originally Posted by yul7075 (Post 20149558)
This is not correct you should only be charged 17 credits for the entire journey if its indeed under one ticket, LHR-SYD requires only 17 credits even if you were not upgraded on the YYZ-YVR portion

My guess is that the GA in YYZ messed up something and re added you to the upgr. list and than placed a memo on your booking to deduct the credits manually for the YVR GA if you'r upgraded on that leg

Yes, it is my understanding too that i should only be charged 17 credits as it is one ticket. Who do I contact, my emails are going unanswered?

Clipper801 Jan 30, 2013 6:22 am


Originally Posted by brownbomber (Post 20149758)
Yes, it is my understanding too that i should only be charged 17 credits as it is one ticket. Who do I contact, my emails are going unanswered?

Use the "Contact Us" function at www.aircanada.ca:

http://help-aircanada.com/aircanada-...ue.do?lang=ENU

You should receive an instant acknowledgement of receipt. Then wait for the process to take its course. The acknowledgement e-mail will give you an indication of how long you may expect to get a reply.

brownbomber Jan 30, 2013 7:10 am


Originally Posted by Clipper801 (Post 20151705)
Use the "Contact Us" function at www.aircanada.ca:

http://help-aircanada.com/aircanada-...ue.do?lang=ENU

You should receive an instant acknowledgement of receipt. Then wait for the process to take its course. The acknowledgement e-mail will give you an indication of how long you may expect to get a reply.

Thank you, I will email them at this address.

Clipper801 Jan 30, 2013 7:26 am


Originally Posted by brownbomber (Post 20151897)
Thank you, I will email them at this address.

Please report back on AC's response!

YEG USER Jan 30, 2013 7:29 am

How to report eUpgrade discrepancies
 
I wouldn't use the general "contact us" information provided above. AC has a separate page with a form called "How to report eUpgrade discrepancies"

The link is here...

http://www.aircanada.com/en/aeroplan...ades/form.html

I've had good success using this route in the past.

Clipper801 Jan 30, 2013 8:04 am


Originally Posted by YEG USER (Post 20151994)
I wouldn't use the general "contact us" information provided above. AC has a separate page with a form called "How to report eUpgrade discrepancies"

The link is here...

http://www.aircanada.com/en/aeroplan...ades/form.html

I've had good success using this route in the past.

OP appears to be unhappy about how upgrade was handled at the gate at YYZ. That is a customer service issue.

markandrew Jan 30, 2013 9:08 am

Good to know the direct link re. e-upgrades. I recently had 23 credits taken for GRU-YYZ-YUL.

GAs in YYZ and YUL have no idea how e-upgrades function, and it seems from OP's case that nor do CR. This is a huge let down by AC, staff need to understand the system better than customers, not less.

In YUL, I had FIVE groundstaff swear that my outbound YUL-YYZ-GRU was not upgradeable because it was a TAM ticket despite the fare mapping to W, I had to read the rules out first in English, the in French from the website before they would even accept to call helpdesk and learn how to process the upgrade request.

On the return GRU-YYZ was not confirmed so I did not want to be left using up 6 credits expiring in Feb 2014 for YYZ-YUL unless GRU-YYZ went through. Eventually GRU did go through so on arrival in YYZ I asked at connections and at the lounge to upgrade my YYZ-YUL sector as I had already used the max 17 credits for my itinerary. FOUR agents all said this was impossible as e-upgrades work on a per sector basis. Completely wrong. I eventually asked the ticketing agent to call helpdesk who confirmed that I was right and no additional credits would be deducted, yet apparently the GA decided to to take the six anyway, presumably a fifth agent at the main hub not understanding how it works.

I asked for the credits to be returned 10 days ago, and am awaiting a reply, expected it to be done very rapidly since it seemed a very simply case and the acknowledgement e-mail said normal processing time was 5-7 business days and status members usually are quicker than average.

canadiancow Jan 30, 2013 9:36 am


Originally Posted by markandrew (Post 20152569)
I asked for the credits to be returned 10 days ago, and am awaiting a reply, expected it to be done very rapidly since it seemed a very simply case and the acknowledgement e-mail said normal processing time was 5-7 business days and status members usually are quicker than average.

I can't imagine there are many non-status members emailing them about eUp discrepancies.

yul7075 Jan 30, 2013 9:48 am


Originally Posted by markandrew (Post 20152569)
Good to know the direct link re. e-upgrades. I recently had 23 credits taken for GRU-YYZ-YUL.

GAs in YYZ and YUL have no idea how e-upgrades function, and it seems from OP's case that nor do CR. This is a huge let down by AC, staff need to understand the system better than customers, not less.

In YUL, I had FIVE groundstaff swear that my outbound YUL-YYZ-GRU was not upgradeable because it was a TAM ticket despite the fare mapping to W, I had to read the rules out first in English, the in French from the website before they would even accept to call helpdesk and learn how to process the upgrade request.

On the return GRU-YYZ was not confirmed so I did not want to be left using up 6 credits expiring in Feb 2014 for YYZ-YUL unless GRU-YYZ went through. Eventually GRU did go through so on arrival in YYZ I asked at connections and at the lounge to upgrade my YYZ-YUL sector as I had already used the max 17 credits for my itinerary. FOUR agents all said this was impossible as e-upgrades work on a per sector basis. Completely wrong. I eventually asked the ticketing agent to call helpdesk who confirmed that I was right and no additional credits would be deducted, yet apparently the GA decided to to take the six anyway, presumably a fifth agent at the main hub not understanding how it works.

I asked for the credits to be returned 10 days ago, and am awaiting a reply, expected it to be done very rapidly since it seemed a very simply case and the acknowledgement e-mail said normal processing time was 5-7 business days and status members usually are quicker than average.

In this case the agent is correct as 17 eupgr' is required per direction not per ticket hence your YYZ-YUL segment is 6 credits in addition to the 17 eupgr' for the YUL-YYZ-GRU

markandrew Jan 30, 2013 10:09 am

And pure coincidence, I did get a reply within an hour of this posting confirming the return of my credits.

@ canadiancow - I used the general CR submission not the e-upgrade specific one, so if general enquiries for public were 5-7 days, I thought a pretty simple request from status would be quicker but at least it was resolved properly unlike OP's request.

@ yul7075 - Two completely separate cases. YUL-YYZ-GRU was 31 December, zero space available issues, just tried to be blocked from upgrading by GAs not knowing that TAM ticket could be upgraded provided it mapped to T+. GRU-YYZ-YUL, GRU-YYZ not upgraded until gate hence I had not made advance request for YYZ-YUL as I did not wish to be stuck using 6 credits for that going through if GRU-YYZ did not.

Absolutely no issue with 34 credits being taken for the roundtrip, but it had been 40 until reversed.

I would have thought that both of these requests were common enough at least at the lounges used to dealing with E/SEs that they would not cause such great pains as they did.

On a positive note, another excellent year for using e-ups for me and family for which I am very grateful:

July 2 pax YVR-LHR
November 1x HNL-YVR and YYZ-LHR (YVR-YYZ on AC 34 failed on the through ticket HNL-LHR)
December 1x LHR-YYZ-YUL
December 1x YUL-YYZ-GRU
January 1x GRU-YYZ-YUL
January 2 pax LHR-YYZ

12/13 and 8/8 on intercontinentals. Both 2x pax were my parents who have no status. Those exasperated with leftover credits should look at days of the week and aircraft types when making their bookings to increase chances.

yvr76 Jan 30, 2013 10:55 am

Starting March 1st, these types of routes will require ~double the credits, even when on a single PNR.

http://i47.tinypic.com/2w6tfg8.png

markandrew Jan 30, 2013 11:11 am

I believe LHR-SYD is not captured by the new rule owing to origin destination being under 11k miles despite the routing being over.


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