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YEG USER Jan 30, 2013 11:29 am


Originally Posted by yvr76 (Post 20153331)
Starting March 1st, these types of routes will require ~double the credits, even when on a single PNR.

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This was discussed at length when these changes were communicated back in late 2012. Many of us were confused as to why a new category for 11000+ miles was created since there are no city pairs in AC's network that are over 11000 miles apart. City pairs like SYD-LHR are well below 11000 miles as it is based on great circle mileage between the O&D, not the sum of miles required for the specific routing flown. The new chart led to much speculation of new destinations such as JNB which could create new city pairs being more than 11000 miles apart using the great circle.

YEG USER Jan 30, 2013 11:34 am


Originally Posted by Clipper801 (Post 20152184)
OP appears to be unhappy about how upgrade was handled at the gate at YYZ. That is a customer service issue.

I thought the main issue was that 31 credits were debited from brownbombers account instead of 17.

IMHO the agent in YYZ likely did something very helpful to the OP. I have always been under the impression (and was my experience on a domestic YYC-YHZ-YYT flight) that for direct flights you needed to have your upgrade cleared at the first city in order to be able to upgrade on the 2nd part of the flight (agent in 2nd city will see the pax as a YYZ-SYD pax, not a YYZ-YVR-SYD). If somehow the YYZ agent was able to help get an upgrade cleared in YVR, it is the first I've heard of something like this, and something I'd hope will become more common.

Jasper2009 Jan 30, 2013 11:35 am


Originally Posted by YEG USER (Post 20153567)
This was discussed at length when these changes were communicated back in late 2012. Many of us were confused as to why a new category for 11000+ miles was created since there are no city pairs in AC's network that are over 11000 miles apart. City pairs like SYD-LHR are well below 11000 miles as it is based on great circle mileage between the O&D, not the sum of miles required for the specific routing flown. The new chart led to much speculation of new destinations such as JNB which could create new city pairs being more than 11000 miles apart using the great circle.

Actually most South America - Asia routes are >11000 miles, but apart from that not many routes would qualify unless AC changed the way the number of required upgrade credits is calculated.

Clipper801 Jan 30, 2013 12:39 pm


Originally Posted by YEG USER (Post 20153599)
I thought the main issue was that 31 credits were debited from brownbombers account instead of 17.

IMHO the agent in YYZ likely did something very helpful to the OP. I have always been under the impression (and was my experience on a domestic YYC-YHZ-YYT flight) that for direct flights you needed to have your upgrade cleared at the first city in order to be able to upgrade on the 2nd part of the flight (agent in 2nd city will see the pax as a YYZ-SYD pax, not a YYZ-YVR-SYD). If somehow the YYZ agent was able to help get an upgrade cleared in YVR, it is the first I've heard of something like this, and something I'd hope will become more common.

Yeah. We don't know. One possibility was that those were revenue J standby from another IROP flight. It's not like the old days when one can observe the traveller handing over a cert. I am sure that Customer Relations will pass it on to the right dept.

YEG USER Jan 30, 2013 1:32 pm


Originally Posted by Jasper2009 (Post 20153609)
Actually most South America - Asia routes are >11000 miles, but apart from that not many routes would qualify unless AC changed the way the number of required upgrade credits is calculated.

I stand corrected. Now that I think about it, the conversation I was recalling was about SYD-South America, I forgot about Asia-South America.

FWIW, if anyone is interested here is the GC Map of which city pairs will be over 11k miles. I've left GRU-PEK on the map even though it is 10.9k miles as I'm too lazy to look on the AC website to see what mileage AC actually applies to determine the number of eUpgrades required.

http://www.gcmap.com/mapui?P=eze-hkg...g&MS=wls&DU=mi

canadiancow Jan 30, 2013 2:15 pm

How much above 11k can you really get? At some point, you just need to fly the other direction.

yul7075 Jan 30, 2013 6:23 pm


Originally Posted by markandrew (Post 20153026)

@ yul7075 - Two completely separate cases. YUL-YYZ-GRU was 31 December, zero space available issues, just tried to be blocked from upgrading by GAs not knowing that TAM ticket could be upgraded provided it mapped to T+. GRU-YYZ-YUL, GRU-YYZ not upgraded until gate hence I had not made advance request for YYZ-YUL as I did not wish to be stuck using 6 credits for that going through if GRU-YYZ did not.


@markandrew Did not realize that your GRU-YYZ cleared

on your return in YYZ you should of simply request the upgrade from the agent the system would than automatically calculate the required e's knowing that you only needed 17 credits

brownbomber Feb 8, 2013 8:59 am

Feedback for those interested, refunded 14 Eupgrades and got an apology!


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