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sinalet Mar 17, 2012 8:20 am

Fog in YUL this AM –- Diversions to Mirabel
 
AC 661, 774, and 8787 were diverted to YMX (Mirabel) this morning. Never seen YUL this bad. AC still hasn't gotten a flight in from YYZ yet today. WS was diverting to YFC.

jcamp028 Mar 17, 2012 8:39 am

Wow, I didn't know Mirabel still took planes of any sort. I thought it was completely closed. Isn't the passenger terminal locked shut??

ABG Mar 17, 2012 8:41 am

cargo operation at YMX.... AC took on additional fuel. The fog is really bad.

AA_EXP09 Mar 17, 2012 8:43 am

Is YMX even a point of entry?
(in reference to the LAX-YMQ flight)

global happy traveller Mar 17, 2012 8:46 am

It's an active airport, primarily used by private jets and bombardier

ABG Mar 17, 2012 8:55 am


Originally Posted by global_happy_traveller (Post 18218077)
It's an active airport, primarily used by private jets and bombardier

Private jets? If by private jets you mean FedEX cargo then yes....

greg0ire Mar 17, 2012 9:31 am

Do they fuel the planes after and hop them over to YUL?
It may be faster just to drive them from the 15 to the 13. I'd love to see drivers tailgate these guys if they drive too slow in the left lane.

global happy traveller Mar 17, 2012 9:35 am


Originally Posted by ABG (Post 18218119)
Private jets? If by private jets you mean FedEX cargo then yes....

you can if u charter, happens once in a while

As per Aeroports De Montreal

"Commercial and general crafts are welcome on the runways of both our airports. All kinds of planes can land at the Montréal-Trudeau and Montréal-Mirabel international airports. However, the infrastructures in place at these two sites are different."

Here is a private charter (helicopter) and ground handling company that operates from Mirabel http://www.helibellule.ca/en/who-we-are/description

sinalet Mar 17, 2012 11:29 am


Originally Posted by AA_EXP09 (Post 18218064)
Is YMX even a point of entry?
(in reference to the LAX-YMQ flight)

Yup. YMX is both part of the "National Airports System" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Airports_System) and is a port of entry (but can only "handle general aviation aircraft only with no more than 15 passengers"). Only found this out a week or so ago browsing Wikipedia. Also surprised me ;)

CZBB Mar 17, 2012 11:36 am


Originally Posted by AA_EXP09 (Post 18218064)
Is YMX even a point of entry?
(in reference to the LAX-YMQ flight)


Yes; it's a full international airport see AIP Gen 1.2.2

http://www.navcanada.ca/ContentDefin...1gen_eng_1.pdf
6. Mirabel is intended for scheduled cargo, only. No aircraft handling and ground services are available.

However, still a point of entry.

ABG Mar 17, 2012 12:46 pm


Originally Posted by global_happy_traveller (Post 18218328)
you can if u charter, happens once in a while

If you charter, any stretch of tarmac with a control tower becomes a potentional place to land your private jet (read jet engine, not a helicopter that you can land in a field if you wish, like a few bigshots around our summer lake do). Just because an airport has an FBO with some helicopters on it doesn't make it an airport used primarily for private jets and Bombardier. You can check it out for yourself on flightaware. All cargo, except for the diversions, a medical evac plane and a few TS mechincal situations. I believe TS plans to close at YMX soon too.

KenHamer Mar 17, 2012 8:04 pm

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I figure it's not really fog.

It's AC pilots with fog machines.

greenlotus Mar 17, 2012 9:22 pm


Originally Posted by KenHamer (Post 18221135)
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I figure it's not really fog.

It's AC pilots with fog machines.

Haha, it was pretty thick this morning till started burning off at around 11 AM on the N shore. Was wondering if planes were landing in it!

797-3 Mar 17, 2012 9:35 pm


Originally Posted by sinalet (Post 18218873)
Yup. YMX is both part of the "National Airports System" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Airports_System) and is a port of entry (but can only "handle general aviation aircraft only with no more than 15 passengers"). Only found this out a week or so ago browsing Wikipedia. Also surprised me ;)

RE: Wikipedia, it is an amateur run website. Even that article has some errors in it but I am not a registered user so I didn't fix them. If you aren't registered but try to correct an article, your IP gets published. If you are, the IP is not shown to the public but curious volunteer (checkusers) often snoop and look at your IP. There have been allegations of checkusers hacking into computers of users so I generally avoid Wikipedia.

Santander Mar 17, 2012 10:03 pm


Originally Posted by 797-3 (Post 18221422)
RE: Wikipedia, it is an amateur run website. Even that article has some errors in it but I am not a registered user so I didn't fix them. If you aren't registered but try to correct an article, your IP gets published. If you are, the IP is not shown to the public but curious volunteer (checkusers) often snoop and look at your IP. There have been allegations of checkusers hacking into computers of users so I generally avoid Wikipedia.

Regardless of whether there are errors in the article itself or not, it is a true statement that Mirabel is an airport of entry which can only handle GA traffic with no more than 15 passengers between the hours of 0800-1600 local time. (Referenced from Canada Flight Supplement)


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