Max transit time allowed
Jun 28, 2000 | 2:37 am
#1
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Max transit time allowed
Hi,
I'm flying HKG-YYZ-IAD next week & would like to see a friend overnight in YYZ. The ticket does not allow any stopovers in Canada, but I seem to remember reading anything up to 23hrs 59mins does not count as a stopover ??
Thanks
Angus
I'm flying HKG-YYZ-IAD next week & would like to see a friend overnight in YYZ. The ticket does not allow any stopovers in Canada, but I seem to remember reading anything up to 23hrs 59mins does not count as a stopover ??
Thanks
Angus
Jun 28, 2000 | 4:44 am
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correct: on international flights a stopover is considered longer than 23 hours 59 minutes (for inner-North-American-flights UA's limit is 3 hours 59 minutes or next connection)
Jun 29, 2000 | 7:31 am
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I would suppose you could do a longer stop in both cities within the rule, and since you have to clear immigration/customs and enter Canada officially in YVR anyways (unless you were on a sterile same-plane flight YVR-YYZ), then pre-clear U.S. immigration/customs again at YYZ to get into the U.S., you'd need a valid passport and entry visa for Canada as well as the U.S. to this trip this way.l
Jun 29, 2000 | 8:51 am
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Check the fare rule. Most international fares allow unlimited connections within the Maximum permitted milage.
So you should be allowed to overnight in both YVR and YYZ.
However, add up the individual milage segments and made sure you don't go over the MPM, which is calculated on HKG-IAD.
(Added bonus for E/SE - if you do an overnight connection on an upgraded ticket, the original upgrade lifted at origin is valid for the connecting segments. I have done this before on HKG - YVR - YYZ - LGA. The agents at YVR don't even blink.)
So you should be allowed to overnight in both YVR and YYZ.
However, add up the individual milage segments and made sure you don't go over the MPM, which is calculated on HKG-IAD.
(Added bonus for E/SE - if you do an overnight connection on an upgraded ticket, the original upgrade lifted at origin is valid for the connecting segments. I have done this before on HKG - YVR - YYZ - LGA. The agents at YVR don't even blink.)
Jun 29, 2000 | 8:46 pm
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Thanks for that.
To clarify - I'm getting a consolidator ticket out of HKG to East Coast USA (V class) that does not permit stopovers in Canada.
Was thinking to "transit" YVR and YYZ but not sure what the max permitted transit time would be - i.e. 23.59 at each stop or 23.59 total.
The MPM should be OK as I've done HKG-YVR-YYZ-East Coast many times before on this fare (before the HKG-YYZ "direct" flight this routing was the only way).
Wish I could upgrade, but being a lowly Elite buying a Y or M fare is a tad extreme! Roll on next year and SE...
Angus
To clarify - I'm getting a consolidator ticket out of HKG to East Coast USA (V class) that does not permit stopovers in Canada.
Was thinking to "transit" YVR and YYZ but not sure what the max permitted transit time would be - i.e. 23.59 at each stop or 23.59 total.
The MPM should be OK as I've done HKG-YVR-YYZ-East Coast many times before on this fare (before the HKG-YYZ "direct" flight this routing was the only way).
Wish I could upgrade, but being a lowly Elite buying a Y or M fare is a tad extreme! Roll on next year and SE...
Angus
Jun 30, 2000 | 9:36 am
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It's not aggregate.
Usually the tariff rule says, "A stopover is defined as any intermediate point from which the passenger does not leave within 24 hours of arrival," or words to that effect.
Each counts as a connection until you hit 24 hours before your next departure.
Be sure, however, that the fare allows for unlimited connections. Occasionally deep discount and consolidator fares are restricted as to routing. (Though I have not encountered this on AC).
Usually the tariff rule says, "A stopover is defined as any intermediate point from which the passenger does not leave within 24 hours of arrival," or words to that effect.
Each counts as a connection until you hit 24 hours before your next departure.
Be sure, however, that the fare allows for unlimited connections. Occasionally deep discount and consolidator fares are restricted as to routing. (Though I have not encountered this on AC).
Jun 30, 2000 | 10:01 am
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Actually my V fare last week to/from CDG only allowed one on line connection in North America. I think it depends on the competition on the route. Going to LHR there were unlimited transfers on at least some of the fares (although you pay for each).
Jun 30, 2000 | 8:27 pm
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I'll check it out - my guess is the two transits will be OK. The connections should be OK, as I've flown exactly this route before (with these connections).
Correct me if I'm wrong - I'm presuming some (I'm sure this one included) consolidator fares don't have a simple fare code where you can look up fare rules ?
Angus
[This message has been edited by Angus (edited 06-30-2000).]
Correct me if I'm wrong - I'm presuming some (I'm sure this one included) consolidator fares don't have a simple fare code where you can look up fare rules ?
Angus
[This message has been edited by Angus (edited 06-30-2000).]