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Lodge recommendations
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Closest reserves with the full range of game (Big Five etc) are Pilanesberg, Madikwe and Welgevonden/Marakele. All have a wide range of accommodation options.
Johan |
Well, seeing that you're using MTBeds, you clearly know what you're doing.
IMHO, Pilanesberg does not really count - it's just a big zoo, really (much more so than any of the others including Kruger - Pilanesberg's just too small, and too overrun by tourists and locals alike. Good for a one-day self-driven tour, but not for more). I have enjoyed the Mhondoro Lodge immensely - got in there on a deeply discounted MTBeds fare (2 people), we were early, they sent someone to pick us up at the drop-off, lovely welcome reception w/ drinks before we went off to the lodge, halfway into the 30 mins+ ride we met the "regular" vehicle who came to pick up other pax. Very nice lodge, great people, great safari experience (as per Welgevonden regs, though, the vehicles have (soft) tops). If taking malaria precautions is not a concern, you may want to trade a 2.5 - 3 hours annoying drive to Welgevonden/Madikwe against a 4.5 hours, very relaxing drive to Kruger (the roads are much, much better). If you do Kruger, be sure to book at a private game reserve (can be part of Kruger, but must be private so Kruger rules such as no open fire, vehicle needs to have soft top do not apply). Also make sure the reserve is not fenced (much more "authentic" :o/romantic that way) - MTBeds are not a good source for these finer points, you'll have to do your own research. Enjoy your trip! |
South Africa help..
Thanks for the info. What is MTBeds ?
I was planning a trip with my mom to South Africa for Nov. I was trying to figure out where to go to take her on Safari. She is a rancher and pretty adventuresome and would like to see animals, nature, etc. Thanks. |
Originally Posted by thaitraveller
(Post 8476234)
Thanks for the info. What is MTBeds ?
I was planning a trip with my mom to South Africa for Nov. I was trying to figure out where to go to take her on Safari. She is a rancher and pretty adventuresome and would like to see animals, nature, etc. Thanks. |
my experience....
I am just back from Kruger.
I stayed at a private lodge in a private concession in the south of Kruger entering by the Malelane gate. Lukimbi Safari Lodge. Maximum 36 guests sharing four Land Rovers. Guests are the only ones in the area as this lodge has the exclusive use of their private concession. The accomodation is outstanding. Rooms are well appointed. You have your own balcony to see game at the waterhole. Two showers...one indoor and the other outside. I watched elephants and Cape buffalo while having a shower after my morning game drive. Food remarkable and wines cheap. Not cheap but well worth every rand that I paid. Saw the big five the first day. Was lucky to see leopard in a tree and also two males lions transiting the concession. The resident pride of lions was not on the concession at the time. Lots of white rhino but not a sight of the shy black rhino. Good views of ellies with babies. The matriarch was very protective of the young and she was aggressive. We has to be on our guard to avoid a charge. The rangers knew their stuf and I felt very safe. |
Originally Posted by airbus320
(Post 8701614)
The resident pride of lions was not on the concession at the time.
Originally Posted by airbus320
(Post 8701614)
I felt very safe.
Johan |
Originally Posted by johan rebel
(Post 8706613)
I would venture to say that game lodges must be some of the safest places on earth.
Johan |
Originally Posted by Catch22returns
(Post 8721473)
Indeed.:D Most of the "concession" lodges are the safest private zoos in the world. The only true game spotting in my opinion is in the Park proper but this can be a hit or miss affair depending on the season, the place, the time and a good dose of luck. Most of the private concessions will almost guarantee sightings of the big 5 which is useful for people who are under time constraints.
Yes, they have radio contact and will share information (which often results in any worthwhile sighting being mobbed by vehicles). But I have seen the rangers at Londolozi mortified that they couldn't track down a leopard for me over several days - despite Londolozi being touted as the place for leopards. A ranger at Sabi Sabi also told me about how he had failed to produce any of the big five for a group of Italians for 2 days and was mightily relieved when he finally spotted some rhino. Hardly supports the idea of a "zoo" where animals can be produced on demand. |
Originally Posted by Cheetah_SA
(Post 8759821)
Am I missing something? Because I'm baffled by these statements. :confused: Since there are no fences between the concessions and they are part of KNP, how can they guarantee sightings or be called zoos?
. I guess I was confusing concessions within the park proper with those private Game Reserves adjoining the western boundary of the park. eg. Thornybush Reserve. The Klaserie Fence in Balule Reserve only came down two years ago and there are some lodges adjacent the KNP which don't have access to the park proper. There's plenty of landowner politics with regard to transversing rights. The fences haven't always been down, and I haven't been to a private concession since 2003, instead enjoying the SanParks accommodations within Kruger. That should be changing now for me, as the wonderful in-laws now sharehold a lodge within Balule which allows 3 week long visits per year with a private game viewing vehicle:D What I meant by the zoo comments is that in certain private reserves eg, Sabi Sand as a good example, animals have been so conditioned to the approach of vehicles as to totally ignore them and with the sheer number of game drives from all the lodges and radio coordination with report back to all lodges amongst the guides there is a better chance of spotting game at a closer range in a smaller area than you would in the KNP proper. In fact it is all but guaranteed that you will see 4 of the big 5 (Leopard excluded) during a 3 day stay at a private lodge in Sabi Sand, Manyeleti, or Timbavati. Not so on a self-drive in the park left to your own devices. |
Originally Posted by Catch22returns
(Post 8759987)
I guess I was confusing concessions within the park proper with those private Game Reserves adjoining the western boundary of the park.
I have not been to all of the concessions (yet. still working on it), but I would venture to say that they are better suited to walking than driving. Pafuri/Makuleke is an exception because of its sheer size, which makes a certain amount of driving unavoidable, and Singita Lebombo has 132 km of roads, but the rest . . . Unfortunately, only Plains Camp currently offers real walks (as opposed to the 45 minute amble on a full stomach in the heat of day that all private lodges offer, with a greater or lesser degree of reluctance). Pafuri offers walking trails too, but their trails camp has yet to be built. In sum, anybody short on time looking for a big & hairy / fangs & claws experience is best advised to select a lodge on private land, where the chances having them lined up are much greater. Prefer to stretch your legs? Try the SANParks trails or a lodge that does real walks. For those who know their stuff the challenge of spotting the animals yourself on a self-drive in Kruger is an option, but I gave up on that some years ago, when the number of motorized morons exceeded my tolerance level. Johan |
Very insightful post - I certainly agree with your statement regarding private concessions in the Park itself (was quite disappointed with Jock's Safari Lodge back in 2005).
Originally Posted by johan rebel
(Post 8760841)
the number of motorized morons exceeded my tolerance level
BTW, does everyone agree that the new layout of MTBEDS sucks? :td: |
Originally Posted by johan rebel
(Post 8760841)
when the number of motorized morons exceeded my tolerance level.
The Northern part of the park will almost certainly have fewer day visitors than the Southern areas in part because of the distances and the prevailing slow speed limits. |
Interesting reading on private concessions.
As I stated above, I recently spent three days at Lukimbi Lodge. I did not feel that I was in a zoo-like experience. I enjoyed the solitude of the game drives and particularly enjoyed the fact that we (three Land Rovers dispersed over the concession) had the exclusive run of the concession. We did not have to compete with the multitude of vehicles that I previously experienced in Sabi Sands. To each his/her own safari experience. |
Originally Posted by airbus320
(Post 8767767)
Interesting reading on private concessions.
As I stated above, I recently spent three days at Lukimbi Lodge. I did not feel that I was in a zoo-like experience. I enjoyed the solitude of the game drives and particularly enjoyed the fact that we (three Land Rovers dispersed over the concession) had the exclusive run of the concession. We did not have to compete with the multitude of vehicles that I previously experienced in Sabi Sands. To each his/her own safari experience. |
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