Which countries or regions has AccorHotels forgotten?
#18
My two cents:
- Japan: I would not like Accor to concentrate there. The local hotels are good and I, personally, prefer to stay in local chains or boutique in Japan rather than a chain. This is one of the country where I do not even checked Accor, Hilton, IHG, etc ...
- Scandinavia is a big mystery: the local chains have a stronghold there and no other chains are implemented (Hilton has 1 in Stockholm, but that is it). Specially Norway and Danemark are purely scandinavian chains. But those chains are crap, I mostly dislike the hotels in Norway due to the poor level of service and amenities compared to the premium paid. I think that due to some protectionism and the attitude of the locals (Jantelov) it is near impossible for Accor and other chains to get a good footprint there.
- South of France: agree with Goldorak. I was surprised to see Mercure as the top in Nice.
- Spain and Italy: not enough hotels in my view
- Greece is a bit special, there are not a lot of chains there in general, mostly small/boutique hotels. Athens is an exception.
- Japan: I would not like Accor to concentrate there. The local hotels are good and I, personally, prefer to stay in local chains or boutique in Japan rather than a chain. This is one of the country where I do not even checked Accor, Hilton, IHG, etc ...
- Scandinavia is a big mystery: the local chains have a stronghold there and no other chains are implemented (Hilton has 1 in Stockholm, but that is it). Specially Norway and Danemark are purely scandinavian chains. But those chains are crap, I mostly dislike the hotels in Norway due to the poor level of service and amenities compared to the premium paid. I think that due to some protectionism and the attitude of the locals (Jantelov) it is near impossible for Accor and other chains to get a good footprint there.
- South of France: agree with Goldorak. I was surprised to see Mercure as the top in Nice.
- Spain and Italy: not enough hotels in my view
- Greece is a bit special, there are not a lot of chains there in general, mostly small/boutique hotels. Athens is an exception.
#19
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Based on my travels.
Spain - Very poor outside of Barcelona. Valencia has 2 Ibis and 1 Budget Ibis only. Similar in Alicante. Madrid a little better, but that said, Spain is very well served by local chains.
Ireland - 1 Ibis in an woeful location in Dublin.
USA - Hardly a footprint at all, even with the recent acquisition.
Spain - Very poor outside of Barcelona. Valencia has 2 Ibis and 1 Budget Ibis only. Similar in Alicante. Madrid a little better, but that said, Spain is very well served by local chains.
Ireland - 1 Ibis in an woeful location in Dublin.
USA - Hardly a footprint at all, even with the recent acquisition.
#21
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And apparently a new Novotel is being built in Zagreb and should open in late 2020.
Other than everything that's already been mentioned, I wish Accor had more midscale or even budget hotels in Canada. It's mostly Fairmonts over there, which are, sadly, out of my price range.
Other than everything that's already been mentioned, I wish Accor had more midscale or even budget hotels in Canada. It's mostly Fairmonts over there, which are, sadly, out of my price range.
#22
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Indeed, South Africa is another big hole. There are some truly excellent BonVoy options with Protea, Westin, AC, etc but Accor is only present with a bunch of tired Mercures.
#23
I agree with most if not all above. Asia the most obvious is Japan and Taiwan. Philippines like Cebu is lacking outside of Manila. Would be nice to get 1 hotel even if just a mid range in Palau which is a hot tourist destination.
Some place in China still have very big holes like Chongqing a city of 30 million people has only 1 hotel in the city (Mercure maybe it opened by now) and 2 hotels far out of the city.
Some place in China still have very big holes like Chongqing a city of 30 million people has only 1 hotel in the city (Mercure maybe it opened by now) and 2 hotels far out of the city.
#24
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So if Marriott has 16 and Hyatt has 40 (via partnership) then Accor could certainly offer us 2 or 3!
What would be wrong about Accor having small/boutique hotels too. What's one more brand to the portfolio anyway
#25
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My two cents:
- Japan: I would not like Accor to concentrate there. The local hotels are good and I, personally, prefer to stay in local chains or boutique in Japan rather than a chain. This is one of the country where I do not even checked Accor, Hilton, IHG, etc ...
- Japan: I would not like Accor to concentrate there. The local hotels are good and I, personally, prefer to stay in local chains or boutique in Japan rather than a chain. This is one of the country where I do not even checked Accor, Hilton, IHG, etc ...
Japanese are loyal to their brands, so Accor would struggle to find locals to join Accor.
However I would think Accor should consider acquiring some brands in Japan or partner with them to join Accor so that we can earn points on them.
#26
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Switzerland & Iberian Peninsula & Overseas France
Switzerland
Besides some Mercure, Novotel, Ibis there is not much in Zurich, such a top Business destination there is no High End Accor property.
Similar to Geneva where there are lot's of cooperate and NGO, just one (now pretty nice) MGallery.
Iberian Peninsula
There are several Ibis and Mercure in Portugal however only one High End in Lisbon that is not even that nice.
Algarve & Porto could get something nice, or even the Islands?
Same for Spain, it use to have a Sofitel in Madrid but now nothing high end
Overseas France
New Caledonia, Guadeloupe, Martinique, St. Barth's, La Reunion, French Polynesia,
All of them miss some/additional properties. I know there are some in French Polynesia, but seeing how big they are in NZ and Australia they could get greater properties.
Besides some Mercure, Novotel, Ibis there is not much in Zurich, such a top Business destination there is no High End Accor property.
Similar to Geneva where there are lot's of cooperate and NGO, just one (now pretty nice) MGallery.
Iberian Peninsula
There are several Ibis and Mercure in Portugal however only one High End in Lisbon that is not even that nice.
Algarve & Porto could get something nice, or even the Islands?
Same for Spain, it use to have a Sofitel in Madrid but now nothing high end
Overseas France
New Caledonia, Guadeloupe, Martinique, St. Barth's, La Reunion, French Polynesia,
All of them miss some/additional properties. I know there are some in French Polynesia, but seeing how big they are in NZ and Australia they could get greater properties.
#27
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I somewhat agree with a lot of your comments but not the one about Greece. If I am not mistaken Marriott has 16 hotels in Greece outside of Athens. Even if you remove the 4 Design Hotels where elite treatment might not be the same as full participating properties so no upgrade and no breakfast (but you earn points, night credits, and can redeem points), that's still a dozen hotels from Marriott alone. With the partnership of Hyatt with SLH now Hyatt also has a whopping 40 hotels to choose from (outside Athens) and earn / redeem points even though they are not fully participating, similar concept as Design Hotels for Marriott.
So if Marriott has 16 and Hyatt has 40 (via partnership) then Accor could certainly offer us 2 or 3!
What would be wrong about Accor having small/boutique hotels too. What's one more brand to the portfolio anyway
So if Marriott has 16 and Hyatt has 40 (via partnership) then Accor could certainly offer us 2 or 3!
What would be wrong about Accor having small/boutique hotels too. What's one more brand to the portfolio anyway
#28
Switzerland
Besides some Mercure, Novotel, Ibis there is not much in Zurich, such a top Business destination there is no High End Accor property.
Similar to Geneva where there are lot's of cooperate and NGO, just one (now pretty nice) MGallery.
Iberian Peninsula
There are several Ibis and Mercure in Portugal however only one High End in Lisbon that is not even that nice.
Algarve & Porto could get something nice, or even the Islands?
Same for Spain, it use to have a Sofitel in Madrid but now nothing high end
Overseas France
New Caledonia, Guadeloupe, Martinique, St. Barth's, La Reunion, French Polynesia,
All of them miss some/additional properties. I know there are some in French Polynesia, but seeing how big they are in NZ and Australia they could get greater properties.
Besides some Mercure, Novotel, Ibis there is not much in Zurich, such a top Business destination there is no High End Accor property.
Similar to Geneva where there are lot's of cooperate and NGO, just one (now pretty nice) MGallery.
Iberian Peninsula
There are several Ibis and Mercure in Portugal however only one High End in Lisbon that is not even that nice.
Algarve & Porto could get something nice, or even the Islands?
Same for Spain, it use to have a Sofitel in Madrid but now nothing high end
Overseas France
New Caledonia, Guadeloupe, Martinique, St. Barth's, La Reunion, French Polynesia,
All of them miss some/additional properties. I know there are some in French Polynesia, but seeing how big they are in NZ and Australia they could get greater properties.
#29
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Greece is a similar story: Hyatt only had 1 (Thessaloniki) and with SLH they are plentiful. Accor can do better. Mykonos and Santorini could very well host a Raffles, Fairmont, or Sofitel. ^
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