Originally Posted by
nroscoe
Call it rhetoric, call it whatever you want. I'm advocating freedom of expression (count of posts) while you are advocating restriction of one method of expression.
Originally Posted by
magiciansampras
Originally Posted by ClueByFour
"Disenfranchisement?"
So that I understand: on a frequent flyer bulletin board, not having future posts counted in the "everything else" forum somehow equates to "disenfranchisement?"
I know you like to minimize the arguments that other people make, dismissing them as unimportant and worthless, but you really shouldn't. I thank the TB members for at least not making fun of those of us who feel disenfranchised by this move.
You know, I don't think that this is fair comment. You guys use big words for rhetoric effect to give the appearance of weightiness to your arguments. Surely it is right and proper to investigate those big claims of "freedom of expression" or "disenfranchisement" to see whether they are actually based on something or mere puff, rhetorical powder thrown into the eyes.
It is not enough to merely say "I feel dienfranchised". Either you are genuinely disenfranchised, in which case you have a valid point, or you are not genuinely disenfranchised, in which case the solution should be sought not in seeking an FT motion of some description but rather speaking about it with your analyst to find out why you have this feeling of disenfranchisement which corresponds to no genuine disenfranchisement.
So, in what way exactly are you and 'a large group of people' "disenfranchised? Clearly, you do not lose your rights to participate in any elections by having future omni posts not counted in your post count. So, you are not disenfranchised in the normal meaning of the word.
Are you disenfranchised in the figurative sense of having power and opportunities taken away from you? What exactly is it that you can no longer do now that you could do before? You can post in just about any forum as you could before, you can send and receive pms just as much as before, you can laugh cry, joke, argue with other FTers just as much as you could before. So what is it that you could do before and can no longer do now? Because if there is no such thing, you simply cannot say that you are being disenfranchised.
So, the only thing you could conceivably have lost the ability to do, at least in the future, is the possibility to flash a great big huge co....unt based on omni posts. Do you really want to call that disenfranchisement? Fair enough, but surely you cannot be surprised if others will feel like calling it something less grand and probably less flattering.
But hang on, even that you have not lost. Rejoice, and rejoice
nroscoe too, you have not lost your ability to boast and/or feel proud about the size of your post count including omni posts. Yes, you can still do it: all you need to do is put it in your signature. OK, it will require a bit of work on your part. You will need to regularly compute how many posts you have had in OMNI and add that to your total. But, after all, if displaying your omni-inclusive post count is something which is really important to you, a key element of your FT identity, it is worth that little effort, isn't it? What is more, you can actually choose to actually make a statement of it. Now,
that is freedom of expression.
Oh, but wait, is that not what you wanted? It is not the ability to display your post count that you are after, I hear you say?
Ah, It is all about peer recognition. So what you really want is my, and all other FTers' seal of approval for telling you that omni post count really, really matters, and we are all so very proud of you for having such a big one.
So, it is not just about leaving you free to do what yo want then, is it? It is about forcing all of us to worship to the altar of omni post counts.
Originally Posted by magiciansampras
In the larger scheme of things, I think a lot of people here are jealous of the post counts that the gamers have been able to amass in a short amount of time and others who have gotten large post counts predominantly in OMNI. That's what this is about, IMHO: jealousy.
You know what? I think you are terribly close to the truth here. Forget about all the grand talk of disenfranchisement, freedom of expression, etc... This has nothing to with all of that.
It might indeed all be ultimately about p.... envy (post-count envy, that is

)
I have to agree with you that there is clearly a very substantial Freudian dimension to this debate and it clearly does not take a genius to work this one out.
But you might think it through a little bit. Because if that is the case, and I think that it is, I am not sure that you will necessarily be happy with the conclusions you will be led to as to why you consider it so important to have your omni posts counted and displayed for all to see...