Originally Posted by pbarnette

Well, AF has had 10-abreast on their Carribean and Indian Ocean planes (CIO) for a while. I then heard that they were going to operate some 10-abreast on US routes, starting this summer, and sure enough, I just checked out the seat map for AF7 JFK-CDG on 7/15 and ExpertFlyer shows the dreaded 3-4-3.

At first, I would have thought that this was the CIO version of the 77W, but this plane has F and J, while the CIO version only offers 2 rows of J and no F. So, this is obviously a new configuration. The CIO version does not seem to have extra pitch, like EK, and it is unclear if this one will. And there does not appear to be any Y+, as on the CIO version.

KLM is going 10-abreast on their new 77Ws from what I can tell as well. Considering that AF seems to treat KLM as an in-house LCC, this is not surprising.

The only question is what will be worse 10-abreast 777s or 9-abreast 787s?

And, let's be honest, do you think it will actually take a merger for CO to go 10-abreast? If they think they can get away with it, they will.



By all accounts, coach on a KL 747 should be avoided, as well. 31" pitch. No in-seat video. Terribly uncomfortable seats. My wife flew on one last year and still hasn't forgiven me. It sounds like, hands down, the worst ST product in the sky.