I believe it was you who first referred to 7th grade in this thread.
Also, your claim related to "the majority of people here" seems short on facts unless you have done some grand study of the "majority of people here" that is top secret.
Majority? Who said majority? But there are several of us in this thread that can recognise logic. You cannot, and have yet to counter a real point about taking the ID out of the holder-why do you keep ignoring that?
Here is your "just because"/"just because teacher said":
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Originally Posted by FlyingHoustonian
Otherwise why does NATO, The US Military, Law enforcment, bar doormen, supermarkets, banks, US federal and other national government buildings, the UN, and airlines themselves, require the IDs to be taken out of plastic/containers?
That is an attempt to say "just because they do it, it must be done".
No it is not, it showing the logic of the point that an ID must come out of a holder for a proper check. It is disturbing that you cannot comprehend this.
By the way, not all of NATO requires ID out, nor do all LEOs, nor do all bar men, nor do all supermarkets, nor do all banks, nor do all federal office buildings even like the one that was on fire yesterday.
For visitors to a US federal building ID must be out-policy. Employees have ID lanyards. It is the policy at the 6 facilities NATO controls that ID be out of holders.
There are some guards at Geilenkirchen, Orland, and Trapani that do not always do it for those in uniform especially, but it policy. If you are stopped by a LEO 99.99% your ID is coming out of whatever holder it is in, and I know for a fact it is policy in many departments-would you like a list i can give it too you?...
"The fact"? There we have it again with another one of those "because I say it is so". Weren't you complaining about that in your first paragraph above?
So it is not a fact you dislike this government policy (you seemed to state this above)? Interesting, then why are you bringing in the strawmen? And ignoring responses that counter your point?
Yes. How soon some fail to apply the lessons to themselves. How soon.
Really? Care to quote that and make the point? Or is this another one of your tangents about ID policy versus the thread topic of proper ID checking?
You did not give multiple valid reasons -- rather you built a house of cards whose foundation is "they do it so it must be effective", a house whose support beams are questionable premises given the inseparability that I referred to earlier.
The reasons are listed, you just choose to ignore them.
Nowhere in this thread did I say “they do it [whatever “it’ is in your words] so it must be effective” re: the policy only verifying the photo versus the person presenting it (you will see that in my response above-simple). It is done because it is logical and proper. Freshman undergrads figured this out years aog, why can you not?
You mentioned “inseparability” but did not back it up. Give one valid point why taking an ID out, as noted from the OP has something to do with inseparability and the policy issue. how are you connecting them?
You have yet to do that.
You have a problem with making things up and using partial quotes. You should address the whole post.And you do not understand what a house of cards argument is, because one I didn’t do it, and two even if I had that would not apply here. I can suggest some English dictionaries.
I lost ID would be easier to use for nefarious purposes at the airport by leaving it the holder with the new "owners" picture glued over. taking it out would help prevent this.
Ciao,
FH