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Old Dec 15, 2007 | 10:51 pm
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Originally Posted by prismwiz
Go West young airline, Go West

I would like B6 to expand their prescence in SEA very much, however, I don't see where they could make money if VX gets established. I wrote on this forum earlier about how 3X daily E190 flights to BUR/ONT/LGB/SAN would work but now I am unsure. VX is a simmilar airline to B6 and may have realized a niche that B6 could have filled, the premium carrier down the coast niche.

at what other airports is there room for a B6 niche?
West coast is against UA at SFO/LAX, VX at SFO, AS at PDX/SEA, US and WN at PHX/LAS, WN at all bay area airports (SFO(somewhat), OAK, SJC, SMF, RNO (last two not bay area, but serves PNW-QLA connecter's))
DAL/DFW--WN/AA, tried and failed by FL
STL--WN,AA, although a small posibility of flights to markets AA does not serve well enough and WN does not compete (SEA)
ORD/MDW--UA, AA, WN, FL tried and failed
MKE--YX, being tried by FL, stay out of thier way
DTW/MSP--small local airline (NK/Sun Country) competing against big red giant (NW). Possibly some room in DTW after NK leaves entirely for FLL
CMH--SX depresses yields and couldn't work from JFK
CVG--If B6 can reduce fares to break even level at 90% load factors (fare X) at start up and slowly edge up fares this could be a winner because DL would compete at fare X and then match any B6 towards fare X-30% load factor break even level (or lower)
MEM--big red giant, tried by F9 and failed
BNA--WN
RDU--if AA gradually falls out of RDU and B6 slowly edges in this may be a winner
GSO--SX, wait a while until effect is known
CLT/PHL--US, if US fails--as envisioned by B6 in original start up--CLT may work, PHL has WN to contend with, not good markets
ATL--DL/FL
Florida markets in--this may be a winner in some months of the year, especially to Northeast, but not strong enough non-liesure, non-winter demand
MSY--hurricane warning--from rapid WN advancement of course
IAH/HOU--WN and CO, don't mess with TX (corporations)
AUS/SAT--AA/WN duopoly
BDL--room for Florida and maybe some West Coast flights, fragmented market
PVD/MHT--Florida flights, BOS for other markets
BOS--grow, be a JFK north, especially with European Airline codeshares
PNS/PIE/Punta Gorda/St. Augistine/TLH/EYW/anywhere in Florida near a beach with a landing strip--good for 1X daily JFK flight, mabe 1X IAD/BOS flights. For example

E190 from Punta Gorda
JFK--0600-0830, 915-1145
IAD--1215-1415, 1445-1645
BOS--1715-2015, 2045-2345

Just random guesses and market research would show which times market would be best served by.
I would love to see PVD, BDL, and MHT come onboard to and serve FLL, MCO and seasonal to PBI and RSW. I think that BOS and IAD could be developed quite a bit more. Service could be added to MSY, AUS (start up IAD and added frequencies from BOS), HOU, and ORD (if slots are available to be utilized). Also, IAD to Florida, IMHO, is still lacking for B6.

As far as cities like DAY and PNS, you probably won't see those until the new T5 is up and in full swing. JFK is essentially at capacity.
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