yeah, perhaps the only value i see in tours is the fact that the hotels are often close to free.... sometimes even less than free (e.g. pdx-las often costs LESS if you throw in a hotel). if you don't want those hotels, then do yourself a favor and free yourself from the rest of the shackles that such tours entail (i'm thinking specifically of: 1) gift shops; and 2) temples that you'd probably rather pass on in favor of more interesting entertainment)