this is what I mean by 'future effect' we can't expect generosity if what we give in return is gouging greed, if we hack up the programs either they end or the value gets diluted. As some have pointed out, the other side is a business, they aren't doing it to be nice. The issues are multiple and self interest may be served by something more than taking programs to the cleaners at any opportunity, self limiting in the end may be the most rewarding approach and has the added benefit of being more fair to all involved.