Agreed, I have been using these products for nine months now, and they are both strong, robust and complete image editing, enhancing and manipulation tools. While not a photoshop image editor, they are indeed equal to if not better than an adobe photoshop elements, apple aperture (the clear direct competitor) and clearly ahead of picassa.

I have had not problems with data loss, losing albums, etc. But, I have always worked with them in an environment of COPIES of photos, to manipulate.

This is both on Intel based Apple systems, and Windows XP, VISTA PC systems.

The beta will most likely end before the end of the year, and I think the product will slot in at 199$