Originally Posted by doober
The freedom to be believed innocent until proven guilty..
Baloney. Please to give a specific non-trivial non-mostly-incorrect (see below) example.
Originally Posted by doober
As one poster stated yesterday, he had to provide an ID and have his personal information entered into some database in order to buy medicine for his baby;
So did my mother to get my Syrup of Ipacac - in the early 60's (yes, I am an old fart).
Originally Posted by doober
school children must prove that they do not take drugs before the can participate in extra curricular activities
Well, good point on the Clinton-era instituted random drug testing, but it's not like kids in high school sports were dropping dead of steroid use 20+ years ago, were they? By the same measure you must be horrified by metal detectors, limited drivers licenses, and dog licenses. I'm going to give you 1/4 point for that example.
Originally Posted by doober
we must take off our shoes and divest ourselves of clothing before we can get on a plane.
I think I can speak for the travelling public - keep your clothes on. You have to put on a bathing suit before you get into a public pool - does that offend you too?
Originally Posted by doober
All of the above presume guilt until we prove otherwise.
Really? Does showing a police officer your drivers license at license checkpoint presume guilt and violate your civil liberties?