Originally Posted by greatam
Oh, yes they are. Please come visit my small farm area of Arizona. Please observe the illegals bringing the blank forms and cards from Mexico. They fill them out at the illegal owned grocery store 6 miles from my house and office. Then the store owner takes them to LA to the Mexican consulate for "verification". No one from the consulate sees the people they are issued to. No one verifies that "JOSE GONZALES #1" is really that person and not "JOSE GONZALES #2-200" There are 5 guys running around out here, all with the same name on the Matricula cards-Juan Olivio Sanchez. Their real names are Jose, Octavio, Jesus, Jesus #2 and Miguel. Not exactly Juan.
There are probably no more than 10 countries in the world that have such loose documentation to issue a passport.
I will agree that airport ID is a dog and pony show and doesn't do much for security. And sure, the borders should be secured. But who is going to make the first move??? The Canadians are screaming about the US passport law, the Mexicans are screaming about the fence. And Congress sits on it's b***, "DEBATING".
Originally Posted by greatam
We were discussing the Consular Matricula cards and how they are a scam by the Mexican government, NOT whether I like or dislike illegals.
If the Mexican government wants to issue ID to Mickey Mouse, Donald Duck and the other Disney characters to fly, it's their business. Our American government issues ID to characters every day too and they fly. It even issues ID for the explicit purpose of committing crimes in many places. As they say, what's good for the goose is good for the gander. C'est la vie.
And there are a lot more than 10 countries with "such loose documentation to issue a passport". Try most all the world, with the US no paragon of "tight documentation" either when it comes to passports. And so-called REAL ID is a joke that's simply going to enable richer, more organized crime syndicates while the louts in the Administration (and their tools in Congress) enable the enrichment of their favorite contractors as we spend $100 to get $20 back. And the average American taxpayer will have to pay more, and passports will become more expensive too.
The idea that ID is security is a sham; if we drop it then it'll free up money, perhaps even money we can invest in real ways to deal with real problems. Someone getting on a plane and travelling domestically with or without "real ID" is not a real problem. Weapons & hazardous materials combined with criminal intention are real problems. I don't see why the kid in the OP's article should not be allowed to fly domestically if not in custody.
US citizens, US residents who are foreign citizens, foreign citizens who are visiting, and foreign citizens staying illegally in the US, all fly everyday domestically. Most all never have any problem flying domestically as long as they have some government ID and are not formally blacklisted. This kids problem sounds like he has no government-issued ID. I have a solution for him. Go to the Library of Congress and get federally-issued photo ID.
