Originally Posted by ScottC
No, I keep saying that IN MY opinion it is legal. Your pirated DVD theory is just flawed piece of logic, with a pirated DVD I KNOW that the guy that made the DVD-R didn't pay ROMS, MPAA, BUMA or any other international organization, in the case of Allofmp3 I am downloading knowing that the vendor DID pay ROMS.
If ROMS isn't part of the global rights organization (CISAC) then why does it matter if they paid them?
Originally Posted by ScottC
You keep on posting stuff, but have yet to point me to any publication that states that it is against the law to download music from a Russian service that pays dues to the recognized Russian authority. Whether or not the IFPI and/or CSAIC approve of what these services are doing is irrelevant (seems pretty logical that they wouldn't approve, they have a lot to lose in this case). There is one Russian organisation that deals with rights, and that is ROMS, and they approve of the service.
Sure they don't approve. You are stealing their music. Anyway, there's more than one Russian rights org. ROMS was created by RAO, which has since broken with them. Anyway, music licensed in Russia can't be downloaded outside of Russia. You are aware that there are ITMS in several countries, and you can't use the store of a different country. Why should this be different?
Originally Posted by ScottC
If all you have is 2 old links of organizations that don't like them and one that says that it is "probably" illegal then this discussion isn't going anywhere, I'm still waiting for the definitive proof that downloading from allofmp3 is illegal.
I posted 5 links. I'm beginning to realize that God himself could tell you it's illegal and you wouldn't believe it, so I'll avoid posting 5 more.
Originally Posted by ScottC
Just for fun I went to the RIAA website and did a search for "allofmp3":
Your search for "allofmp3" returned 0 pages. Search time 5.625 seconds.
Then I searched for "russia", and all I got were articles talking about
Weird, nothing about music downloads and the RIAA not approving of ROMS
In fact, there is NOTHING on their website at all about concerns regarding music download services providing illegal downloads claiming ROMS support.
Do you know what the second A in RIAA stands for? Why would they discuss Russia? Go to
IFPI and search for allofmp3. They are the International org.
Originally Posted by ScottC
If you can't trust the RIAA then who CAN you trust? Surely if this service that is used by millions really were illegal they would be all over it like a granny in South Dakota that let her grandchild download one song off bittorrent?
Again, its the RIA
A. Somehow, I suspect allofmp3 would be less likely toturn over their logs under subpoena than American ISPs have been.
Originally Posted by ScottC
I then checked the "pro music" site of the IFPI, that is meant to answer some of the myths regarding music downloads:
http://www.pro-music.org/freemusic.htm
And surprise surprise, even they don't have an answer whether or not it is considered illegal to download from a different country.
Actually, the IFPI even says this:
So, why after 3 years still no action against allofmp3? Napster came and went in under a year... Sharman (Kazaa) isn't based in the US yet the RIAA didn't mind going after them too...
My 2nd link was a discussion of the complaint IFPI filed with the Russsian prosecutor's office.
Originally Posted by ScottC
Well if 3cx.com says ronross over on ipodlounge says it's all good, then who am I to argue? Especially when backed by fadmine's thread on fatwallet. My third line refutes every one of your's and ronross' arguments, by the way. Did you bother to read it?
I really don't care if you steal music, or if you buy allofmp3's stolen music. I do care that people who don't know the whole situation might read your tortured rationalizations for it and believe it's the truth.
Hey, have you noticed that neither ROMS nor allofmp3 claims their downloads are legal outside of Russia? You only hear that from people who shop there. Wonder why that is?