Originally Posted by murphy
The rights organization you keep talking about (ROMS) was
kicked out of CISAC.
"The General Assembly of CISAC decided at its meeting in Seoul on October 2004 to expel Russian organization ROMS from CISAC membership on the grounds that it has been issuing licenses to copyright users without the authority to do so from all relevant copyright owners."
IFPI has made it very clear that allofmp3 has no right to distribute its material.
"... f it is true that the prosecutor has not taken the case this would be very disappointing, considering the blatant and large-scale infringement that continues to take place.”
Here's a long article from a lawyer who appears to know much more than me about copyright. He claims it's illegal.
"The reasoning of those who assert that downloading from allofmp3 is legal ignores basic copyright law and often appears to be nothing more than manipulating the issues involved to arrive at the desired answer. For those seeking cheap alternatives to illegal downloading via P2P and other sources, allofmp3 is an attractive possibility. It is not, however, one that falls within legal boundaries."
Here's an article from slate that concludes it's "probably" illegal.
"2. Is Allofmp3.com actually legal?
Probably not. The discussion above about what Allofmp3.com is allowed to do with international distribution rights assumes the site actually owns those rights. It doesn't—at least not according to the recording industry. "
Here's an article from Jupiter Research claiming slate was irresonsible in qualify the illegal with "probably".
"I'm not trying to say what's moral or not. Or what should be legal or not. But this article runs in Slate's Jurisprudence section, and it ain't very prudent. In fact, it strikes me as bizarrely irresponsible, especially for a mainstream media publisher. And you thought blogs were dangerous."
But you keep telling yourself it's all above board, and different from buying pirated DVD's out of some guy's trunk.
No, I keep saying that IN MY opinion it is legal. Your pirated DVD theory is just flawed piece of logic, with a pirated DVD I KNOW that the guy that made the DVD-R didn't pay ROMS, MPAA, BUMA or any other international organization, in the case of Allofmp3 I am downloading knowing that the vendor DID pay ROMS.
You keep on posting stuff, but have yet to point me to any publication that states that it is against the law to download music from a Russian service that pays dues to the recognized Russian authority. Whether or not the IFPI and/or CSAIC approve of what these services are doing is irrelevant (seems pretty logical that they wouldn't approve, they have a lot to lose in this case). There is one Russian organisation that deals with rights, and that is ROMS, and they approve of the service.
If all you have is 2 old links of organizations that don't like them and one that says that it is "probably" illegal then this discussion isn't going anywhere, I'm still waiting for the definitive proof that downloading from allofmp3 is illegal.
Just for fun I went to the RIAA website and did a search for "allofmp3":
Your search for "allofmp3" returned 0 pages. Search time 5.625 seconds.
Then I searched for "russia", and all I got were articles talking about
:
Russia has emerged in recent years as one the world’s leading producers and exporters of pirate discs. The Russian government has failed to respond appropriately to this open lawlessness. Many of the plants currently producing pirate product are actually located on government premises
Weird, nothing about music downloads and the RIAA not approving of ROMS
In fact, there is NOTHING on their website at all about concerns regarding music download services providing illegal downloads claiming ROMS support.
If you can't trust the RIAA then who CAN you trust? Surely if this service that is used by millions really were illegal they would be all over it like a granny in South Dakota that let her grandchild download one song off bittorrent?
I then checked the "pro music" site of the IFPI, that is meant to answer some of the myths regarding music downloads:
http://www.pro-music.org/freemusic.htm
And surprise surprise, even they don't have an answer whether or not it is considered illegal to download from a different country.
Actually, the IFPI even says this:
13. What if I download music from a site from a different country than the one I'm in, where the law might be different?
Internet activities of this sort typically involve acts of copying, transmission, or distribution in both countries, so both countries' laws would apply. Copyright owners usually take action in the country in which the infringer is located, however.
Among most of the countries where the internet is prevalent, there are international agreements in place allowing court judgements in one country to be enforced in the other. This process would be typically used only in complicated or unusual cases.
So, why after 3 years still no action against allofmp3? Napster came and went in under a year... Sharman (Kazaa) isn't based in the US yet the RIAA didn't mind going after them too...
And finally, I found what i consider to be one of the best explanations yet:
Regarding legality: allofmp3.com has a license from the Russian performing arts society. It is the Russian counterpart of ASCAP or BMI in the US. ASCAP and BMI do *not* pay record companies or recording artists, per se. They pay songwriters and music publishing companies registered to them. Businesses that use recorded music for commercial purposes must pay for a license from either ASCAP or BMI (usually both) to broadcast on radio or tv, or to use a song in a commercial, or to play background music in an elevator or supermarket. When you hear the theme from the "Pink Panther" in an elevator, Muzak is paying Henry Mancini the songwriter and his publisher out of a pool that is then divided up among the "members" according to how many uses have been monitored. A top ten radio hit in the US will thus generate tens of thousands of dollars in income for the songwriter and publisher. However, the record company will not see a penny of that money.
In terms of income, CD royalties are the smallest revenue stream after song publishing, concerts, and merchandising. Lately, rights to use a recording in a movie or a commercial have also become significant sources of income. So when you think of allofmp3.com forget about recording companies. If Michael Jackson's publishing rep in Russia has given administration rights for public performances to the Russian society, then they have no say about whether or not the Beatles can be offered on allofmp3.com. Whomever distributes Beatles' CDs in Russia doesn't ever enter into it.
Allofmp3.com pays a fixed amount per year (for example) for the rights to music registered with the performing rights society. To keep the math simple, lets say allofmp3.com pays $1000 (or ruples) for its annual license. Further, Beatles downloads account for 10% of total downloads. Hence the Beatles and their publisher (in this case Michael Jackson), will be paid $100 from the pool of $1000. Depending on the terms on which the Beatles' catalog was sold to Michael Jackson, the Lennon estate and Paul McCartney would normally get $50 and Michael Jackson's company would also get $50.
What is unusual about allofmp3.com is that they have taken the basic performing rights business model that ASCAP and BMI have used uncontroversially for 60 years and applied the "broadcast" concept to downloaded recordings. This, of course, would never fly in the US and ASCAP and BMI wouldn't think of it. OTOH, I suspect that in Russia, the performing arts society has much more legal and political clout than do the local divisions/licensees of Universal, EMI, BMG, etc. They have seen a business opportunity for their members and apparently have the power to overrule the objections of the record companies.
So I am convinced that allofmp3.com is not only legal, legitimate and safe, but it is also the most cutting edge online service technologically. That said, re-distribution of the files obtained from allofmp3.com is definitely against US law (whether you burn a CD for your sister or offer them on Kazaa) and the site acknowledges this clearly.
Congress could also pass a law making it illegal to possess allofmp3.com files, as they have banning the import or possession of Cuban cigars, but they haven't yet and I doubt they will.
Now regarding the anti-Russian biases that always raise their ugly head in any discussion of allofmp3.com, it is true that a Wild West attitude prevails among their newly minted capitalists. But it is also true that Russia has many, many fine younger computer programmers who are often under-employed and would welcome turning their talents to a business that appeals to their love of music.
http://3cx.org/item/21
Edit: and another excellent description of why it is considered legal:
http://www.fadmine.com/allofmp3-legal-cheap-mp3s.html