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Old Feb 17, 2006 | 10:50 pm
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Originally Posted by YEG Guy
Where is Grant McConachie's globe when you need it!!!

Couple of interesting points about this new route in comparrison to the YYZ-LAX-SYD route.

According to the Great Circle Mapper:
The difference between flying YMM-YYZ-YYT and YMM-YYT is 482 miles.
The difference between flying a n/s to YYT and one stop through YYZ is about YYC-YVR flying time.
The difference between flying YYZ-LAX-SYD and YYZ-YVR-SYD is 187 miles. AC claims in the YYZ-SYD press release to save 3 1/2 hours on the new routing, could this difference be poor schedule allignment?

The difference between YMM-YEG-YYZ-YYT and YMM-YYZ-YYT is 283 miles. If Westjet were to compete with AC on the full routing by redirecting the YMM-YEG-YYC flight to YMM-YEG-YYZ-YYT route, this could be quite doable. Westjet could turn the 737 in YEG faster than AC can turn the EMB190 in YYZ to make up for lost time, trip time is neutral. WS would benefit from a predefined market on all segments to add significant profitablity potential. ACE is hindered by the fact that YMM-YYZ is a brand new market.
What do you think YYZ-YYT is if not a predetermined market. Do you not think AC will have this flight replace the late flight out of YYZ to YYT? And AC gets a lot more traffic on that segment than WS, which doesn't carry nearly the traffic to the Rock. As for YMM-YYZ, if you follow the spoolup of the energy market in YMM, with several mega-projects under way, beginning, or about to launch, the traffic build should occur slowly but surely.

As for YYZ-SYD, the reason that flight will go through LAX is obvious. It's not distance per se, it's dollars! There are people in LAX who will pay $12,000 for a J suite on a new 777. There are few such customers in YVR. Capeche?
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