Originally Posted by billiam
No, starting in November, the KL 663/4 will be opped by a PrivatAir BBJ on F/S/Su. There will be no more KL 767s coming to IAH starting November.
It is indeed correct that KLM will not fly three daily flights from November, but nevertheless increase the capacity of C class seats with the 6 weekly BBJ service
Originally Posted by billiam
If flying 757's across the pond is so unprofitable, why has AA started doing it on even smaller routes (ala BOS-SNN), and selling only one class of service on it even?!
On a recent ARN-EWR flight, I met people connecting in EWR to YYZ! CO must be doing something right, in getting people to fly to EWR first, then go to Canada.
BOS-SNN is no secondary market, how many % of all BOS residents have roots in Ireland ?? And it is the shortest TATL route on which a 757 is actually feasible.I am talking about routes, where the 752 has to fly with severe payload restrictions or has to make a stop.Can you imagine what CO lost when the TXL had to stop a few times last month ?? Makes the whole week a desaster profit wise, because of only one or two diversion..
Offering YYZ via EWR will result in another discount and may be even cheaper than the nonstop fare from ARN ( in addition to that there are two more segments, so even lower yield per ASK ) Classic example is AMS-MEM , where KL/NW charge a huge premium because of their monopoly while other destinations via MEM are much cheaper. But AFAIK SAS does not fly to Canada at all and the yield ex Scandinavia is decent in comparison to Central Europe
Originally Posted by billiam
Ahh, so can you say they have shown you actual load numbers? Like how many avg. paid BF and Y pax on each flight? That will tell us how the yield would look....
If you know about the performance of HAM and TXL routes, fine, but don't apply what you see across ALL trans-atl 752 flights
They must know something more than you since they're getting ATA's 753s so they can put MORE 752s on EWR-europe routes....
It depends what would have happened to the 752 ? Beoing does not produce it anymore , because the 737NG is eating it alive.If they own them and would lose X $ putting them in the desert it is still better for them , if they lose X-1 $ flying them to Europe...
Aviation industry is strange sometimes, better to lose money and fly instead of losing more money paying pilots who cannot work and for planes being kept airworthy in the desert...
In addition to that I pointed out that one player will survive on the TXL – NYC route, however I see LH getting in the market, if either CO or DL drops out ( BBJ ?? ) to get them out of their home market again...
And to be quite honest, TXL does not count as a secondary market, neither does ARN. 3.5 million residents and capital of the third biggest economy in the world...