I have tried the Vive and it is very different. Loreal has also confirmed that the formula is quite different for both the shampoo and the conditioner and, especially, the Elnett hairspray which is the absolute best. I was first turned on to the hairspray years ago by a hairstylist who told me that he begged and bribed his friends to bring him back a suitcase full every time they went to Europe. I swear by the stuff.